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Old 09-27-2012, 07:02 PM   #21
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We know the movement was large enough that temple authorities hired paul to hunt these people down
No. We do not know any such thing.
All we know is that there was a story, one evidently unknown in the 2nd century CE to 'Justin Martyr', that claimed temple authorities hired 'Paul' to hunt these people down.
There is not one bit of evidence that this story is true.
And it is extremely unlikely that the Jewish temple's authorities, 'authority' to have anyone 'arrested and bound' extended all the way into Damascus Syria (Acts (9:2).



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I used capitalization to indicate the Title of a profession. It is a common and accepted English usage.
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You don't understand what the difference between a Title and a proper personal name is?

Perhaps you should leave off your dishonest partial and out of context quoting and posting here, and enroll yourself in a Remedial English Course.





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The figure of at most 100 Christians in 40 CE seems far too low. (At least it needs justification.)

With 1000 Christians in 40 CE (still too low IMO) one gets a very different figure for the number of Christians in say 110 CE.

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to me, a 1000 seems pretty dang high for a movement failed in judaism.

By 40 were still talking about a sect in judaism, and christians would not apply at all. I dont think there were 1000 in 60, and a number that high would be attribuited to paul.

One source of evidence for the minimum number of very early Christians may be 1 Corinthians 15:6
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Then he [Christ] appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
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We know the movement was large enough that temple authorities hired paul to hunt these people down
No. We do not know any such thing.
All we know is that there was a story, one evidently unknown in the 2nd century CE to 'Justin Martyr', that claimed temple authorities hired 'Paul' to hunt these people down.
There is not one bit of evidence that this story is true.
And it is extremely unlikely that the Jewish temple's authorities, 'authority' to have anyone 'arrested and bound' extended all the way into Damascus Syria (Acts (9:2).



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the rich Saducees who were corrupted under the roman influence, could have hired paul. And running the treasury, they had the authority. Not only that we already know the Pharisees used roman muscle to rape tithes from peasants. the temple was not inoccent under the roman influence and corruption. Things were miserable for the average jew.

paul being a head hunter was a embarrassment for later christians, there was no need for Justin to mention it. Much of the early movement tried to soften paul up, so much so, new gospels ended up coming out with no mention of paul either. why would they, paul was extreme even for his time. His theology though, was revered
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to me, a 1000 seems pretty dang high for a movement failed in judaism.

By 40 were still talking about a sect in judaism, and christians would not apply at all. I dont think there were 1000 in 60, and a number that high would be attribuited to paul.

One source of evidence for the minimum number of very early Christians may be 1 Corinthians 15:6
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Then he [Christ] appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
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we know the 500 was the author trying to compete with roman emporers who as labeled as "son of god" spoke to large crowds.

there is no historicity there, or none attributed to by any credible scholar
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except for Paul admitting it, and attested to in Acts.

the stoning is accurate form of punishment to fit the crime as well.
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There is not one bit of evidence that this story is true.
except for Paul admitting it, and attested to in Acts.

the stoning is accurate form of punishment to fit the crime as well.

Oh. The tales are the evidence for the tales.

'Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty back together again.'

It is a true fact that eggs do break, and can't be put back together again;
And someone (who knows who or when) recited and attested to this tale.
Thus the tale of Humpty Dumpty must accepted as being a true historical account.
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your the one who claimed there was no evidence.

I never stated how historical the evidence was. Only we have evidence


You know I personally dislike paul, and I dont trust him at all. But I do view him as a head hunter for the Saducees.


So at this time i'll ask? what better do you have then pulling out the ole weak mythology card as evidence for him not being a dirty headhunter?
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One source of evidence for the minimum number of very early Christians may be 1 Corinthians 15:6
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Then he [Christ] appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
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What??? The Bible is inerrant?? Please, Andrew the very claim in 1 Cor. 15.6 is fiction. More than 500 people could NOT have seen Jesus Alive at once if he was already dead and buried.

1 Corinthians 15:6 KJV
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After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep..
1 COR. 15.6 is Evidence of PERJURY not history.
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