Andykiwi

I think I agree with this. The "resurrection" could be here and now. (Ref. Eph 2:6) Paul's "Life in the Spirit" was equivalent to the Gospel's "Kingdom of God/Heaven" (Rom 14:17) and He believed that the spiritual state a person attained in this life was the one they would keep, I think.

Chili

When we die we get buried and that is when heaven and hell with everything in between will end. In fact, we can't even take a raincheck on the next life because that was supposed to be heaven on earth before we die.

rhutchin

How does the following fit in with what you claim.

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth,...are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works...
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Andykiwi

That's quite funny that you skipped over verse 14

The "Lake of Fire" means total destruction.

bacht

Yes, the other NT writers seem to believe in a real Hell/Hades/Gehenna but what about Paul? Maybe he believes that only the righteous will be immortal, and sinners have no afterlife (this seems to be Daniel's expectation).

John Kesler

I think that Daniel teaches an afterlife for sinners, too, though he states that not everyone would be resurrected, only "many."

Chili

That was to Hebrews and goes on to say that Jesus died for the sins of the Old Covenant so that we as New Covenant people do not have to [die twice] and are able to be judged only once and find salvation there and then.
This goes back to Gen.1 where dry land appeared from the deluge as they became rational beings that gradually became a deluge once again for which they needed an ark to keep them afloat until new land appeared on the other side of their life.

Here now fire will be used to destroy our worldly richess that so must be purified into gold or will be left behind in our new world where only truth will remain. Ungodly men who built their life on idols proclaimed by false teachers will be destroyed and so Peter wants us to built on the exisiting remains of our forefathers instead of the 'flesh' and so decorate our heaven with purified base metal instead of disire to be purified without end.
It is a parable against a hereafter when we die and means that all will die the second death except those eternal beings who's name was written in the book of life. The second death holds no judgement for them alone and please notice the singular book of life.

Roger Pearse

Unless my memory misleads me, doesn't he say so himself? -- A bit more definite than "He is said".

This is fiction - sorry. Nothing ties Mithras to Tarsus.

I rather thought it was about hunting and killing the cosmic bull. No ancient text says that it was "about salvation", and that sort of projects a Christian idea onto paganism. I think one inscription uses "you have saved us" but what this means is unknown.

Indeed so, as with other pagan cults. But ... the chap was a Jew, you know.

If we had any certain knowledge of what the cult was about -- we mostly have to guess from scraps of information -- we could discuss this. But since we don't, no evidence exists of this; and in view of the attitude of the NT to paganism, the idea is ridiculous.

The page begins with an unusual image of the tauroctony. Mithras is depicted killing the bull. The snake and the dog leap up to consume the blood, while the scorpion grabs the bull's testicles. Mithras seems to be surrounded by figures signifying signs of the zodiac (e.g. the twins, libra). There are also six figures poking out of holes, unusually; I'm not sure who these are.

Obviously this is just like Jesus.

You will notice the copious lack of ancient references for the statements made on the web page, and the highly speculative nature of what is said. The first is a "fingerprint" that nonsense is being peddled. The latter tends to go with it.

There is also the usual selection and omission, in order to tell a story radically different from the one all the sources give. The trick is to omit whatever tells against your story and include whatever tells for it; to smudge and smear similarity into connection, then derivation. This is the usual tactic of the conman; you will see it EVERYWHERE.

Be sceptical. This stuff is designed to hoodwink the dumb.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Jedi Mind Trick

This is a passage for believers only. The fire is God testing the value of the works of the believer which is happening all the time in the believer's experience. Was the good deed done in the flesh to glorify the flesh or was it done in the spirit? It is about Christian living. I was going to say it is not eschatological but it is in part about the Bema Seat of Christ which is only faced by the believer. It is where rewards are handed out for true good deeds all other deeds are burned up.

rhutchin

Yeah, but you don't explain how this fits your claim, "When we die we get buried and that is when heaven and hell with everything in between will end."

Did you mean that everything ends after the judgment indicated in those passages? If heaven and hell end, where is everyone who was judged?