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Old 07-14-2010, 04:11 AM   #31
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is point about James was part of a larger point about the corroboration of many people between the letters of Paul and Luke-Acts. If he was a regular member of the debates here, then he may have been familiar with the objection that we don't know who "James" is in the Acts. It may be an established belief in the scholarship, but I don't think a mythicist or a normalskeptic is likely to accept the premises that lead to such a belief. If Hurtado were more familiar with such a way of thinking, then he may have said, "...all of whom are also mentioned in Luke-Acts, Mark and Matthew," since James the brother of Jesus is most certainly mentioned in Mark and Matthew, though I know that the mythicists and the normalskeptics hold that Paul's mention of James, the brother of the Lord, still isn't the same James, which is where it really starts to look ridiculous for impartial observers. Come to think of it, if Hurtado really were familiar with such debates, I figure that he would have dismissed Steven Carr much more hastily. Hurtado seemed to be especially generous with Steven Carr.
But I do think the James (a very common name, BTW) of Galatians is the same James as the church leader in Acts.

Just that the author of Luke/Acts knew that that church leader was not any brother of Jesus, just as the authors of Matthew, Mark, James and Jude did.

But Professor Larry Hurtado was claiming that Luke/Acts corroborated that this James was the Lord's Brother. It does not, as he should have known, or found out.

And when asked for confirmation of Gospel characters, Professor Hurtado pointed almost exclusively to characters from Acts.

I had never questioned the existence of Titus, Barnabas, James or Peter, which is why Professor Hurtado 'refuted' me by using my own criterion of 'Does Paul mention them?'

But Hurtado didn't 'refute' me by claiming that my criterion is the correct one to use , and it gives just the results that I said it did.

Hurtado simply *confirmed* with that statement that I had been correct in everything I had said.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:19 AM   #32
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He asks for signed affidavits of first century people, but that’s not available for anyone from antiquity, Julius Caesar, anyone.

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Is there really not one document from the first century BC where somebody names himself as having heard of Julius Caesar?

Didn't Cicero name himself as having heard of Julius Caesar?
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