mountainman

That's a very astute observation, and quite correct. I in fact follow the written opinion of Emperor Julian, who wrote that he was convinced that the fabrication of the christians was a fiction of men composed by wickedness.

I am claiming that the evidence available suggests these three things:

(1) the new testament canon was fabricated between 312 and 324
(2) the new testament apocrypha (ie: the non canonical gnostic gospels, etc) were authored between 325 and 336 CE as a reaction to the NT canon.
(3) the controversy over (a) the inauthentic fictional nature of the NT canon, and (b) the seditious heretical nature of the NT Gnostic Gospels (which are Greek satires of the canon) was suppressed by the orthodox 4th and 5th century imperially sponsored christian ecclesiastical historians.

The concrete mechanism was the malevolent and fascist supreme imperial power weilded by Constantine during his rule, especially from 324 CE (when he became the supreme military ruler) onwards. The emperor wanted to forcibly unite the empire to HIS CONCEPTION OF A UNIFIED RELIGION. But Constantine was an uneducated gangster.

Constantine IMO literary hijacked the Hebrew Bible.
The Jewish scripture were hijacked in an imperial fabrication of the new testament.
The Jews had no say in this whatsoever, and have regretted it ever since.

Nobody appears to understand that the loss of the Jewish temple at Masada represented the typical ends of all other "Barbarian resistance" against Roman taxation and military dominion in the early epoch. One million Gallic celts were killed by Julius Caesar and one miliion were enslaved by him.

However in Constantine's epoch, the Greek temples were utterly destroyed by Constantine's "Christians". People may think that this was very regretable that the Greek civilisation was trashed by Constantine, but remain focussed on the Jewish temple. Why? Why? Why? (Because they are stuck like flies on flypaper within the bullshit story presented by Eusebius)

When the Christian civilisation appeared, the Greek civilisation was destroyed by the imperial christians. This is what the evidence tells us. The evidence tells us that a huge controversy existed in the Roman empire throughout the 4th century, but that the persecution of intolerant militant Christians eventually "harmonised" this controversy by the sword and by censorship and anathemas and draconian imperial laws.

Evidence indicated that 4th century Christianity did not commence as a religion of peace. It commenced as a political tool and cult fabricated by imperial design.

In the 4th century the greeks were the gentiles being "converted".
The Greek temples were going DOWN while the Christian basilicas were going UP.
The END-TIMES of the Greek (Gentile) civilisation was physically at hand..
If the knowledge of the Greek civilisation had not been removed from the Roman empire and handed to the Arabs it would not have been preserved.

Toto

You've been claiming this for a long time but still have no evidence.


Jewish Temple where?

Greek civilization was not trashed when the Temples were destroyed, just as Judaism was not destroyed when the Temple was leveled.

Still no evidence.

This is totally off topic. Please stop trying to ride your hobby horse in this thread.

show_no_mercy

I don't see what the difference in language between Daniel and Mark has to do with dating Mark. First of all, Daniel was written in Hebrew/Aramaic with post-exile Hellenistic influence, while Mark was written in Greek - either by a Roman Greek or a Hellenized Jew. Daniel was also written almost 300 years before Mark.

I only pointed out the similarities between the two because Daniel was writing about contemporary events under the guise of having them predicted by a figure in the past, and the same theme might have been used by Mark.

andrewcriddle

Do we have solid evidence that Bar Kochba and his forces ever succeeded in capturing/liberating Jerusalem at all ?

Given the shortage of rebel coinage found in Jerusalem itself, a number of scholars doubt that the rebels ever succeeded in occupying Jerusalem.

Andrew Criddle

Back Again

I have only looked at the English translations. I don't think it's that cut and dried what language the synoptic writers knew Daniel in. Assume for a moment that Matthew, Mark, and Luke all had the same source material from Daniel.

Matthew said an abomination of desolation would be in the holy place
Mark said an abomination of desolation would be where it ought not be
Luke said there would be armies around Jerusalem when it's desolation was near.

They came up with different things from the same source material. My comment was they each spun the material they had a bit to produce what they felt was the most likely to come true prophecy...and that could be due to the circumstances going on when they each wrote. I'll leave it at that.

Minimalist

Let's not forget Ax Men, Ice Road Truckers and Modern Marvels.

The History Channel needs a lot more history and a lot less bullshit.

Diogenes the Cynic

There was a common popular belief that Domitian was a reincarnation of Nero (or was Nero in disguise). This appears to have been a beleif subscribed to by the author of Revelation (also iterated in the whole dying, and resurrected head thing).

666 was a numerical anagram for Nero. The "Beast" was the Roman Emperor (in any given iteration). The "Whore" was Rome. The branding of numbers on the hands or foreheads in order to buy or sell was allusion to the branding of slaves (who were typically branded on those areas), and was a metaphor to Jews/Christians being "enslaved" by having to use the graven image of the Emperor to buy and sell.


It's Revelation, by the way. Singlar, not plural. Don't worry, it's an incredibly common mistake, even by educated and intelligent people such as yourself.

aa5874

I can't find any reference to Nero or Domitian in Revelation.

The author of Revelation appears to have used the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, 1&2 Kings, Isaiah, Psalms, Proverbs, Joel, Jeremiah, Hosea, Ezekiel, Daniel, Zechariah, and Micah to assemble his Revelation.

Do you mean "singular"?

storytime

Could it not also be a numerical anagram for Solomon and his 666 talents of gold? His enslavement and conscription of Israelites to Hiram of Tyre? They could not buy or sell without the mark of this man, either Solomon or Hiram? Solomon is also the one responsible for the division of tribes and his son Jeroboam continuing the breach.

Why would this one prophet, John, prophesie against Rome when none of the other prophets had done so and kept their crushing blows to Israel? Israel, the woman, and Jerusalem and Samaria were called the "whore" and "harlot" daughters in OT as the prophets condemned them.