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Old 01-17-2005, 05:02 PM   #11
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...... blessings like the Shema are ancient:
Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad!

Hear Israel the Lord our God the Lord is One!
Which we read also and recite as;

Shema Israel, YAHWEH Elohinu, YAHWEH Echad:
v' ah'hav'atha-eth YAHWEH Elohi'ka b'kal'lev'a'ka:
u' b'Shem'o te'Shab'a:
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Unfortunately, my sources are offline and not in English. :down:

Nemirovskii, the Russian historian I mentioned in another thread, suggests that the "shasu-yahweh" of Egyptian stelas were in fact the Amalekites who lived around the Sinai mountain, and Yahweh was primarily a local spirit associated with its volcanic activity. Allegedly, the Hebrews adopted him as their tribal god after withdrawing the Amalekites from the place.
Interesting. I seem to remember reading something by Joseph Campbell once in which he suggested that YHWH came from another word Hwy, meaning "to blow" and was probably originally a volcano God. The descriptions of Sinai in Exodus sound like they're describing a volcano and I guess that it might make sense for the name to have migrated into Canaan at some point.
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Where does Nemirovskii identify Mt Sinai, and does he have any evidence for Israelite occupation at the alleged time? Is there evidence that those he identifies as Amalekites indeed were such?
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Your statement here is provably false, unless you qualify it by the assertion that any Jew who pronounces it is no longer to be considered a Jew.
You're right. I'm sorry. I meant no Jew with whom I go to Beit Kinesset for Shabbat service.
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Where does Nemirovskii identify Mt Sinai, and does he have any evidence for Israelite occupation at the alleged time? Is there evidence that those he identifies as Amalekites indeed were such?
Multiple Egyptian sources attest shasu in the same places where - and at the same time when - the Bible attests Amalekites, including the region of Mt Sinai. As for Israelite occupation, there seems to be no evidence outside the Bible (and Flavius who is clearly dependent on it).

But Nemirovskii's hypothesis explains extreme hostility of Israelites towards Amalekites. The theological justification for it is probably late, but there should have been some reason to mention this particular tribe - nearly extinct at the time of formation of the Jewish canon - as the ultimate enemy of the chosen people.
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You're right. I'm sorry. I meant no Jew with whom I go to Beit Kinesset for Shabbat service.
Please lets lay aside for the moment any difference we may have about the vocalization of the Tetragrammation. (Ha Shem)

Am I correct in assuming that you go to Beit Kinesset for Shabbat service as a Jew who believes in The Elohim of ages?

To offer up prayer and praise to The Elohim of Abel, of Moshe, and of Malachi?

I sing the song of Moshe, which is before my eyes, and has entered into my ears, and into my mind, and ever abides within my heart:

Awz'zee v'zeem'rath YAH v'yah'hee-lee lee'shua:
my strength and my song is YAH, and He is my salvation:

This I quote from Shemoth 15:2 (Exodus 15:2)
and from SepharTehillim 118:14 (Psalms 118:14)
and from Y'sha'yah'hu 12:2 (Isaiah 12:2)

I have transliterated so as to indicate as closely as possible how I pronounce each of these words.
You may correct me if I'm in error, that when these words are read aloud in Jewish Synagogue services, the Name "YAH" is clearly pronounced, without any substitutions.
As far as I'm aware it is still customary to sing "hallellu-YAH" rather than "hallellu-adonai", "hallelu-elohim" or "hallelu-adoshem" etc.
Every soul that places trusts in "YAH", has also faith in His "SHUAH".
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I've taken to referring to it as YaHooWaHoo, myself.
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