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Sheshbazzar · 01-17-2012, 07:06 PM

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A Jew shouldn't be engaged in attempting to legitimize any claims for the goyim's syncretized mythical sun god.

^Tell it to your Haredi buddies, while they're telling those chicks to move to the back of the bus.

Do you know any Haredi that attempt to legitimize claims for the goyim's syncretized mythical sun god?

No Robots · 01-17-2012, 07:31 PM

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Do you know any Haredi that attempt to legitimize claims for the goyim's syncretized mythical sun god?

Of course not. I'm saying that they just might buy your mythicist blather. That's what I mean when I say that mythicists and Haredim make a great team. It's a veritable orgy of self-righteous, narrow-minded, ignorant fury. You may even have a shot at leading the whole thing.:notworthy:

Sheshbazzar · 01-17-2012, 08:01 PM

Thanks for your high regard. But they have no need of my mythicist blather, as they can recognise this snake-on-a-stick Nehushtan on their own.

Latter

No Robots · 01-17-2012, 08:47 PM

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Thanks for your high regard. But they have no need of my mythicist blather, as they can recognise this snake-on-a-stick Nehushtan on their own.

Putting my inflammatory rhetoric aside, I still find it amazing that there exists an affinity between the Haredi and mythicists, and that they join together in condemning people like Boteach.

No Robots · 01-17-2012, 09:17 PM

And you can add the Jew-haters to the witches' brew:

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, pickled to the gills in a vat of the most briny, bitter witch’s brew of Jewish supremacism/Jewish elitism and plain old ghetto-variety Jewish abrasiveness throughout his whole life…Member in good standing of the most racist, Gentile-hating/Jesus-hating sect within Judaism (Chabad Lubavitch) suddenly having a ‘Saul on the road to Damascus’ moment and rejecting all that Talmudic teaching he received about Jesus’ place in human history as a sorcerer, a sex pervert and a traitor to the Jewish nation?

Who else wants to join in?

Sheshbazzar · 01-17-2012, 09:23 PM

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Thanks for your high regard. But they have no need of my mythicist blather, as they can recognise this snake-on-a-stick Nehushtan on their own.

Putting my inflammatory rhetoric aside, I still find it amazing that there exists an affinity between the Haredi and mythicists, and that they join together in condemning people like Boteach.

Disapproval of the views held by 'others' is not exclusive.
Although I did not state it, I find equally amazing the affinity your inflammatory anti-mythicist rhetoric has with the Klan, and might likewise be construed as you making a great team with the Klan, might even give you a shot at becoming the Grand Imperial Wizard.

Just kidding.

I don't have thaat big of chip on my shoulder, and have about as much sympathy to the Haredi form of religious lunacy as you do for the Klan's.
(at least I can hope that is the case.)
As far as Boteach, and his ilk, I simply think he is making an utter ass out of himself in making a mockery out of what being 'Jewish' means, selling out his Jewish heritage for the equivalent of a pot of spoiled lentils.

Shalom.

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semiopen · 01-18-2012, 04:43 AM

Here is an amusing Shmuley encounter with Dawkins who compared Boteach with Hitler:

The Dishonest Right

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The Discovery Institute blog has a horrible post attacking Richard Dawkins for calling Shmuley Boteach "Hitler." Is this true?

Not really.

Dawkins – who knows Shmuley personally and knows Shmuley's tactics – responded to a Shmuley column in the Jerusalem Post that attacked Dawkins for "forgetting" a debate the two had at Oxford many years ago. Sandbagged by Boteach's behavior, Dawkins responded at length on his own blog. One thing Dawkins wrote is that Shmuley "shrieked like Hitler" in a recent debate between the two in Canada:

…As it happened, my taxi was late. While I was waiting for it, I was able to hear your speech, relayed over a loudspeaker in the foyer. I was astounded by what I heard. Gone was the urbane, humorous, polite Shmuley that I had known at Oxford, and with whom I had had lunch. What I heard over that loudspeaker was a shrieking rant, delivered with an intemperate stridency of which Hitler himself might have been proud. As I listened, I was shocked by your lamentable, but vocally confident ignorance of Darwinian evolution. And even more shocked by your shrill and vicious attack upon me.

Shmuley mentioned his debating history with Dawkins several times in his disastrous encounter with Hitchens.

This is a guy who believes the universe is about 6000 years old and who imagines he has proven it.

semiopen · 01-18-2012, 05:09 AM

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's Charity Under Fire – Again

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The 2009 Form 990 filing indicates the charity took in more than $651K in contributions and other revenue and racked up $638K in operating and administrative expenses--but only $70 K of that figure amounted to charitable disbursements.

This is not the only instance of questionable business practices by Shmuley, see the link posted about Dawkins.

Regarding Kosher Jesus?

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Shmuley Boteach, who bills himself as "America's rabbi" and who seems to be campaigning for the soon to be vacant post of Chief Rabbi of England, is not my favorite person. My opposition to Shmuley goes back to the late 1980s, when I met him days before he was to leave for Oxford to open a Chabad House there.

Shmuley was so obnoxious, so egomaniacal and so, well, crazy, that I tried to get the shaliach I was working with to call the Rebbe's secretariat and get Boteach's shlichut rescinded. My opinion of Shmuley was shared, it turned out, by others. But no call was made to the Rebbe because doing it would have meant questioning the Rebbe's judgement (nad his infallibility) in appointing Shmuley in the first place – something no Chabad employee (besides me, apparently) would do.

Shmuley is rank opportunist, a slurping egomaniac who lives to hear his own voice and see his own picture and who will offer opinions on subjects he knows next to nothing about as if he were the world's biggest scholar of them.

Frankly I have little interest in this guy. Just seemed appropriate to respond.

No Robots · 01-18-2012, 08:15 AM

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I find equally amazing the affinity your inflammatory anti-mythicist rhetoric has with the Klan, and might likewise be construed as you making a great team with the Klan, might even give you a shot at becoming the Grand Imperial Wizard.

Actually, the Klan is mythicist. Former Grand Dragon Tom Metzger writes:

Those of our race, and a few from Judaism, created Christianity to carry forward occult control into pagan Europe. Actually, evidence shows that mythical Jesus was created by the Niciani Council in about 300 A.D.

So mythicists can take their place along with the Klan, Jew-haters, and Haredim in opposing Boteach. Quite a crew! It's like the cattle call for villains in "Blazing Saddles."

Iskander · 01-18-2012, 08:57 AM

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And you can add the Jew-haters to the witches' brew:

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, pickled to the gills in a vat of the most briny, bitter witch’s brew of Jewish supremacism/Jewish elitism and plain old ghetto-variety Jewish abrasiveness throughout his whole life…Member in good standing of the most racist, Gentile-hating/Jesus-hating sect within Judaism (Chabad Lubavitch) suddenly having a ‘Saul on the road to Damascus’ moment and rejecting all that Talmudic teaching he received about Jesus’ place in human history as a sorcerer, a sex pervert and a traitor to the Jewish nation?

Who else wants to join in?

That the gospels strongly suggest the Romans considered Jesus to be an anti-Roman zealot is a view held by some orthodox Jews.

Their assessment is based on Josephus reporting that Herod executed the Baptizer out fear that the Baptizer would lead another rebellion like the one of Judas the Zealot.

Jesus was tried and convicted by the roman authorities for sedition and opposing roman taxes. James was also executed by the Jewish collaborators for continuing the sedition .
The zealot party, of which Jesus was a member, was finally defeated in the 66-70 war.

It is impossible to know what Jesus was or even if such a man ever existed because of the editing of the gospels to suit the imperial policy of the would be holy roman emperor, but Jesus the Jewish patriot is one of the many possibilities and one accepted by some orthodox Jews.

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No Robots Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 5,679	And you can add the Jew-haters to the witches' brew: Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, pickled to the gills in a vat of the most briny, bitter witch’s brew of Jewish supremacism/Jewish elitism and plain old ghetto-variety Jewish abrasiveness throughout his whole life…Member in good standing of the most racist, Gentile-hating/Jesus-hating sect within Judaism (Chabad Lubavitch) suddenly having a ‘Saul on the road to Damascus’ moment and rejecting all that Talmudic teaching he received about Jesus’ place in human history as a sorcerer, a sex pervert and a traitor to the Jewish nation? Who else wants to join in?

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Thanks for your high regard. But they have no need of my mythicist blather, as they can recognise this snake-on-a-stick Nehushtan on their own. Latter

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