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Old 04-28-2007, 05:25 PM   #1
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Default Dating Song of Solomon via Diana of Ephesus

SONG OF SOLOMON (CANTILES) WRITTEN BY SOLOMON. NOT!

How many nice girls do you know who have goats in their hair, or breasts like date clusters? Talk about a full dance card! But that's what SOS is describing here:

SOS 4:1 Your hair is like a drove of goats that have hopped down from the mountainous region of Gil´e·ad.

SOS 6:5 Your hair is like a drove of goats that have hopped down from Gil´e·ad.

SOS 7:7 This stature of yours does resemble a palm tree, and your breasts, date clusters.



There are three books in the current Bible canon that are not cross-quoted from by the New Testament Bible writers. Those three books are the Book of Esther, Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes.

Some, amazingly think that Song of Solomon was actually written by Solomon, but as you can see by the reference to Artemis in the form of Diana of Ephesus where her earlier image was modernized so that the goats depicted in a nimbus that was once behind her head actually appear to become part of her hair. This version of Artemis, I believe, did not appear until around 500 BC or later (anybody want to give me better dating, that would be great). Therefore, Solomon could not date earlier than this latter version of Diana of Ephesus. Also, it is clear this is a reference to the goddess because how many women real or imaginary have "breasts like date clusters" yet this is precisely how you would describe this popular fertility goddess. As some have noted, this book clearly belongs to a later period.

HERE'S A QUOTE OF THOSE THINKING IT WAS WRITTEN BY SOLOMON:

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Song of Solomon

Date Written - c. 950 B.C.

Since Solomon is the author then this would place the date during the time of the Divided Kingdom in the tenth century. 950 B.C. Although some scholars have debated the time and authorship of the book on the basis of the language used, this argument does not hold strong weight to deny either the author or His time. The mention of both Tirzah and Jerusalem at one time indicates a date before King Omri (885-874 B.C.) (Song of Solomon 6:4)

http://www.abu.nb.ca/ecm/Song00d.htm
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No more convincing, finally, are the reasons that cause others to place the book in post-Exilic times; among such exegetes may be mentioned: Stade, Kautzsch, Cornill, Grätz, Budde, and Siegfried. They support their theory by reference to many peculiarities of language and believe they even find traces of Greek influence in the song; but for all this there is a lack of clear proof.

Catholic Encyclopedia, Canticles

But, of course, a picture speaks more than 1000 words! Canticles is clearly describing a late version of the goddess, long after Solomon.




Earlier version where goats appear around her head.


Notice how goats appear to be in her hair with knees forward looking as though they are "hopping" down a mountain, just as Canticles indicates.


Later version where goats appear to be in her hair.




WHEN DID SOLOMON LIVE? Per reliable evidence from Rehov, we know from radiocarbon 14 dating of short-lived grains found at City IV level, which is associated with the Solomonic building level that there is a 95.4% probability that Solomon ruled sometime between 918-823BCE, which is far too early for these later versions of Artemis. (Shishak's invasion occurs year 39 of Solomon, year 5 of Rehoboam)

Shishak invasion 918-823BCE


Because of the above and because the earliest LXX version of "The Book of Esther" has her married to Artaxerxes, which contradicts the canonical Ezra/Nhemiah, some believe the NT Bible writers, by cross-quoting from all the books in the OT while excluding others, creates its own internal "canon" and thus those three books would be excluded as "inspired" and thus would not be completely reliable as a historical reference, which obviously the Book of Esther wouldn't. In the meantime, obviously a pagan-based book anyway, Song of Solomon (Canticles) was certainly not written by Solomon, even if he did become completely apostate and start worshiping false gods by the end of his death as influenced by his many foreign wives.

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The Song of Solomon didn't get into the canon until late. It certainly was not in the canon at the time Josephus wrote his history as noted by this footnote:

Since some skeptical persons are willing to discard this Book of Esther as no true history; and even our learned and judicious Dr. Wall, in his late posthumous Critical Notes upon all the other Hebrew books of the Old Testament, gives none upon the Canticles, or upon Esther, and seems thereby to give up this book, as well as he gives up the Canticles, as indefensible."

From "Against Apion":
"Which were these twenty-two sacred books of the. Old Testament, see the Supplement to the Essay of the Old Testament, p. 25-29, viz. those we call canonical, all excepting the Canticles; but still with this further exception, that the book of apocryphal Esdras be taken into that number instead of our canonical Ezra, which seems to be no more than a later epitome of the other; which two books of Canticles and Ezra it no way appears that our Josephus ever saw."

Thus Esther and Canticles were late additions in their latest form to the canon. Further, since Esther represents revised history and Canticles is clearly a pagan book reference to Artemis, it seems by the time they did get into the canon by the 3rd century CE, the "apostasy" into the Christian world was at a height of influence and these books that served pagan interests were inserted into the canon.

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You presented the best news in years. that's why you are being ignored. Who wants to hear the truth?
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You presented the best news in years. that's why you are being ignored. Who wants to hear the truth?
ROFL! I don't know. This thread just was dead when it began. I posted on the Evolution vs Creation board how I thought evolution was stupid and I think it broke house records. So I think it's the group. Maybe everybody but me already knew this was about Artemis but thinks not only Song of Solomon but the whole Bible is based on pagan Canaanite old gods as well, so there's no ground covered here. :huh:

If you think this is the "truth" maybe everybody agrees with me. The silence is deafening!

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Of course it wasn't written by Solomon. The OT wasn't written before the mid-7th century.


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Of course it wasn't written by Solomon. The OT wasn't written before the mid-7th century.

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Well, some records from earlier times are apparently used as references. People did keep records. It's not about WHEN it was written but whether it is a copy of something written earlier.

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Well, some records from earlier times are apparently used as references. People did keep records. It's not about WHEN it was written but whether it is a copy of something written earlier.

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How can you copy "Ur of the Chaldees", from an earlier time, when the Chaldeans didn't come to power until the mid 7th century?


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7th century is still earlier than the 6th, if I understand the post.
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How can you copy "Ur of the Chaldees", from an earlier time, when the Chaldeans didn't come to power until the mid 7th century?


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Reference please? Thanks.

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Reference please? Thanks.

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The Chaldeans were the Neo-Babylonians, Lars. There's plenty of information out there about when they wrested power from the Kassites and Assyrians.

I'm sure you might try to argue that the Chaldeans settled there, a couple hundred years earlier, even though they weren't ruling, but that's still a far cry from Abraham's time and doesn't explain the "of the Chaldees", if they aren't in control.


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