Sven

Oh, you think we NEED to know pi only to one digit?

Narapoia

Therefore perhaps all the knowledge we NEED to know is actually in the qu'ran.

Xrikcus

No, we merely don't NEED to know Pi, we can live without it. It wasn't suggested that nothing we don't NEED to know is in the bible, only that everything we DO need to know IS.

Xrikcus

Maybe everything we NEED to know is shared by both. The contradictions being unimportant.

Sven

So if inquisitive01 indeed thinks that we don't need pi, he should stop driving, using a computer, buying food in round preserves, etc. etc. etc.

Narapoia

Sorry you lost me there. Presumably we NEED to know jesus is the son of god from the bible to go to heaven, be vituous etc.
But the qu'ran says we NEED to know he is not the son of god (allah) otherwise we go to the eternal human toast factory.
I'd say the contradictions are fairly important, how can we need to know things that prohibit each other from both being true?
Especially when they are as farfetched as the things contained in these two hefty tomes.
My understanding is most of the things we need to know, like treating each other kindly, not killing, stealing etc predate both of these books. My opinion is that the other parts christians (or muslims) would have me believe I need to know are the myths and fairytales of bronze age people.

Xrikcus

No, not at all, I'm sure that he would agree that we don't *need*to drive, use a computer or eat food prepared using preservatives. These are all conveniences, they are not necessities, and therefore are not mentioned in the bible. See? Everything that is *necessary* is in the bible, ie everything we need to know.


You're right, it was a random suggestion, I put no thought into it first I'm afraid. I rescind my general statement. However, the point was still valid I feel. It is not necessary to claim that everything in the bible is knowledge that we *need*, so you could theoretically claim that two contradictory tomes share the same content that we need, and merely the contradictions are in areas that are not necessary. In the case of the bible and qu'ran the contradictions seem fairly important, so what we need to know would have to be a fairly cut down version of the religions.

Sven

On the other hand, he seems to think that we need to have

1) wings
2) the ability to breathe under water
3) more power than an orangutan
4) more power than a gorilla or a tiger
5) a sense of smell as stong as that of dogs

- at least according to this thread.

I don't see anything like this in the bible. Case closed.

Xrikcus

That's not really fair. I'm sure he said that to be perfect we would need those things, not that we need them to survive (therefore that as evolution tries to make us perfect, we would need them for evolution to be true).

Sven

OK, finally this all depends on how one understands the word "NEED" from inquisitive. Perhaps he likes to contribute further to this thread and clarify - but as long as he doesn't do this, we'll just have to agree to disagree.