beachbum

Amos

Could you please explain what you posted? I really didn't understand what you said or what you were trying to say.

Thanks

Stan

calvaryson

Then how do you explain the growth of Christianity. the numbers of people. People who knew Jesus, lived with him and talked to him after the Resurrection willing to go about and proclaim Him knowing they might be put to death themselves. Why would they do that?

Amen-Moses

Probably in the same way we would explain the growth of Islam, Scientology or Mormonism. It always amazes me when people come up with the "why would they do that?" defence which automatically assumes that we are supposed to explain the actions of rational people. These were not rational people, if they were then why were they following this daft bloke whose own family think is a nut and his townsfolk don't want anything to do with?

Amen-Moses

Amos

Hello Beachbum and emc2

The entire bible is parable except where it is indicated to be otherwise such as in Jn.6:55 with the words "real food and real drink."

Your analogy fails to recognoize that a parable IS real and therefore Jesus did die on the cross for the sins of the world but only for the sins of his world and told us to do the same for the sins of our world when he told us to "follow [him]."

You should be carefull when adding weight of the Epistels to this because they were written for the herd mentality of the masses in effort to engender this event amogst them. In other words, it does not occur outside of a mythology.

No, it does not remove anything from the foundation of Christianity and in fact adds to it by removing the historic component to make it a living tradition. It does, however, not agree with the protestant notion that Jesus died for the sins of their world but that does not really matter.

A parable is a real life event that borrows conventional words to describe a non conventional (non-rational) event. The event is real or the entire parable/bible/mythology would not need to exist. Just like the Ark, the Cross symbol is used in many (?) mythologies because it is so descriptive of the real life event.

Perhaps it would help for me to add that the conscious TOK is or becomes the enemy of the subconscious TOL (Gen.3:15) and that after the crucifixion of the persona the TOK becomes subjugated to the TOL and it is in this manner that Paradise will be regained.

Amos

E_muse

Probably!? There's a statement of faith if ever I saw one.

Citing examples of other devotees who have died for their beliefs doesn't actually explain why the followers of Jesus were prepared to die for their faith in him - if in fact they did.

I don't know. You're the one saying these folk are not rational (a truth statement), so the burden of proof is now on you to justify that statement.

Incidentally, the information concerning Jesus' rejection by his family and townsfolk is in the Bible. I assume that you accept the Bible as reliable in recording these 'facts'?

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emc2

So let me get this strait- you saying that he didn't really die as described, but this is somehow still ok - as long as you believe that it is ok?

As I pointed out in the Noah's Ark discussion, a parable is not a real life event, but a fictitious story with a moral punchline.

Here again, you have provided a direct question with a sideline answer.

critical thinking made ez

If suffering was the requirement for redemption, I would have thought a slow burning of the skin over the course of a few days would have been real suffering. I think JC took the easy way out. Vinegar on a rag...ooooohhhh, I don't know how he could bare the pain of it all?

I think it was just the death that was the redemptive factor the church pushes not the suffering or else he should have really suffered. Now if it was just the death that was required, then why did God make him suffer the amount he did by this form of death?

Back to the subject:
First there was no Jesus who died on a cross, there were many people who died on a cross, but a myth can't die unless the masses find the next "real" God.

Amos

He did not physically die but since Jesus was both human and God he died to his human-ity. If our humanity is only a condition of being "the being" does not have to die for the ego to be crucified. If it does have a moral component it is only there to make the immoral known.

The beauty of it all is that it can be a real life event that we as individuals hope to encounter at midlife. Meno pause is the only time that we, as ark builders, can become eternal and so the mythology is directed towards the enhancement and beatification of this real life event.

Amos