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Old 08-01-2001, 04:25 PM   #21
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I am willing to consider anything to be evidence (excepting personal and non-expert opinion, of course) in a particular discussion
This statement disturbed me, and I was waiting on someone else to comment on it. No one seems to have, however, at this point, and so I must ask Nomad a question here:

Who counts as an expert?

I remember, in our very first conversation, you asked me for sources on several facts I was using to support my position. You discounted all psychologists, anthroplogists and sociologists out of hand (as being biased, I think)--- although the ones I had quoted for you are considered experts in their fields.

Please explain what an 'expert' is.

Thank you.
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Old 08-01-2001, 09:39 PM   #22
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This statement disturbed me, and I was waiting on someone else to comment on it. No one seems to have, however, at this point, and so I must ask Nomad a question here:

Who counts as an expert?

I remember, in our very first conversation, you asked me for sources on several facts I was using to support my position. You discounted all psychologists, anthroplogists and sociologists out of hand (as being biased, I think)--- although the ones I had quoted for you are considered experts in their fields.

Please explain what an 'expert' is.

Thank you.</STRONG>
An expert is one who have made a lot of studies and finally found that GOD is the answer becos everything is unexplanable.

I feel that the only thing Creationist do is hit on Evolutionist. They do not have a strong standing on their own (other than the bible which is full of discrepencies) other than to say "you cant prove it, so there must be GOD".

It is kind of like the days when ZUES rules the heaven. It is a common sense that he is the one that throws lightning from the sky. If not, then how else do you think lightning occurs? prove it! See you cant.. must be ZUES!!
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Old 08-03-2001, 10:11 AM   #23
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<STRONG>bump...

Nomad please answer the excelent question of how you can consider Paul's personal and non-expert opinion in the bible to have any value as evidence.

Thanks!

Bob</STRONG>
re-Bump.

Nomad... we are waiting for your answer!
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Old 08-08-2001, 02:38 PM   #24
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BUMP

Nomad it's not nice to keep people waiting.

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Old 08-08-2001, 02:50 PM   #25
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Nomad must be on vacation.

Or maybe he's seen the error of his ways and has repented.

Or maybe he now knows it was a mistake to try to match wits with the infidels.
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Old 08-08-2001, 03:59 PM   #26
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<STRONG>Nomad must be on vacation.

Or maybe he's seen the error of his ways and has repented.

Or maybe he now knows it was a mistake to try to match wits with the infidels.</STRONG>
I think Nomad has finally realized that his pseudo-scholarship has been unmasked and that there is no point in him coming here anymore. By Layman's (also missing) strange reckoning, the fact that they've "left the field" would mean the infidels have carried the day. Of course I don't think any infidel here would buy into that logic, but I for one am not unhappy to see them gone. Their scorched-earth debating tactics left me quite cold.
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:54 AM   #27
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Who counts as an expert?
Without a context for your question, it is difficult to know what you are looking for Jess. Clearly, an expert in NT studies has a graduate degree in a relavent field of study (i.e. ancient history, Biblical studies, Christian theology), has published in critical journals, and been subject to peer review. Whether I agree with him or not is not overly important, but if his or her conclusions are poorly formed, or research is flawed, then I do think we have the right to point out such flaws.

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I remember, in our very first conversation, you asked me for sources on several facts I was using to support my position. You discounted all psychologists, anthroplogists and sociologists out of hand (as being biased, I think)--- although the ones I had quoted for you are considered experts in their fields.
Again I have no context for this point, but if you think that an anthropologist (or psychologist or sociologist) is an expert in textual criticism, or Biblical studies, I would like to know why you believe this.

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Old 08-09-2001, 03:16 PM   #28
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Originally posted by jess:
Who counts as an expert?


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Nomad: Without a context for your question, it is difficult to know what you are looking for Jess. Clearly, an expert in NT studies has a graduate degree in a relavent field of study (i.e. ancient history, Biblical studies, Christian theology), has published in critical journals, and been subject to peer review. Whether I agree with him or not is not overly important, but if his or her conclusions are poorly formed, or research is flawed, then I do think we have the right to point out such flaws.

What about someone whose credentials are unknown? Would he qualify as an "expert?"

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Old 08-09-2001, 03:23 PM   #29
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Again I have no context for this point, but if you think that an anthropologist (or psychologist or sociologist) is an expert in textual criticism, or Biblical studies, I would like to know why you believe this.

Nomad</STRONG>
Ooh you're back! So good to see you! Now please address this point:

Please answer the excellent question of how you can consider Paul's personal and non-expert opinion in the bible to have any value as evidence.

Thanks! Have a good one!

Edited to add:

Oh yeah, for my own edification, what was Paul an expert in? Did he know/meet/gain instruction from Jesus? Literally? If not, what makes him more of an expert on living one's life than say, the Dalai Lama, J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs, or Homer Simpson? Would your view or practice of your religion change if Paul's sayings were to be considered irrelavant?

Bob

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Old 08-09-2001, 03:33 PM   #30
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Again I have no context for this point, but if you think that an anthropologist (or psychologist or sociologist) is an expert in textual criticism, or Biblical studies, I would like to know why you believe this.


Nomad</STRONG>
If certain practices in the bible were proven to be psychologically unhealthy, would it be permissable for a psychologist to criticize the bible's reccomendation of such practices? Or may only an expert in the bible put forth criticism?

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