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Old 04-19-2001, 11:02 AM   #51
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Don't be silly. How on earth would you understand that?
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Because you're waffling now when asked to back it up.


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In the related thread on this issue, I specifically mentioned two of the three scholars featured in the link I have since provided.

I also mentioned another New Testament scholar, Ben Witherington. Please see our discussion at: http://www.infidels.org/electronic/f...ML/000420.html

N.T. Wright and Ben Witherington are two of my favorite scholars who have both put forth great books on Paul.
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That's all very nice.

However, your claim was that a majority of scholars hold this position.

Giving me your Christmas list of favorite authors is not the same thing as showing that a majority of scholars holds this position.

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Sigh.

You know very well that my claim was not just that a majority of scholars agreed with me. What we were engaged in was a discussion of whether Paul was "wracked" with guilt. In the coursse of the dicsussion I made the above statement. I was characterizing the state of Pauline studies based on my reading of some of the leaders in the field.
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Red herring. I understand precisely what your claim was, and the context in which you made it.

Once again, your claim:


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Most scholars have discarded that notion as an inaccurate and theologically naive product of the Protestant Reformation.
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What's the point of me bringing this up? It's an object lesson for you, deLayman.

You've just made a sweeping appeal to authority here - christ you do it all the time; finding an example wasn't that hard. You hope to impress everyone or silence your critics by saying that the majority of scholars hold a position that you just happen to also be putting forth in an argument.

I'm merely calling you on it here, and telling you to put up, or shut up.

Demonstrate that a majority of scholars hold this position. We'll wait.


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I could go home. Get the quotes from Wright and Witherington where they talk about the change in New Testament studies and the modern understanding of Paul, but it wouldn't do any good.
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The problem here is not with me, as much as you would like to believe. You got yourself into this position all by yourself.

The problem is the kind of sweeping appeal to authority that you made. And I have seen you do it on other threads, with turtonm, with rodahi, and other posters. Appeals to authority hold no water around here.

So either put forth the relevant argument itself, or give it up.


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Why? Because all threads with you devolve into your selective quotations, demands of "a majority of evidence" on tangential claims,
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You mean like when you were insisting in a precise match between strange historical events (which turtonm provided examples for), and your Paul scenario?

That has to be one of the best examples I have seen of quibbling around here in a long time. In case you don't know what "quibble" means:

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quib∑ble (kwÓbĻel) verb, intransitive
quib∑bled, quib∑bling, quib∑bles

1. To evade the truth or importance of an issue by raising trivial distinctions and objections.
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Old 04-19-2001, 11:06 AM   #52
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I am truly flattered by your attention Omnedon. Truly.

But since you have demonstrated that you will lie to me and about me, why should I continue to dialouge with you?

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Old 04-19-2001, 10:37 PM   #53
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I overhead a writer the other night on Date Line or 60 minutes II say that it would have been impossible for Jesus to have spoken anything right before he died because of the water in the lungs caused by the crucifixion. I think I have heard this line of thought before. Any input from the intellegentsia would help clear it up for me. </font>
So why couldn't he say the seven last words within the fist few minutes of being up there? Since that was the last thing he said, it got conflated to the moments before death in the telling.
 
Old 04-20-2001, 12:43 AM   #54
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Hello People

What is the motive of those wishing to place stumbling blocks in the way of believers?

Is it qualitatively different to the desire of all believers to acquaint themselves with the truth?

Blessings and Peace

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Old 04-20-2001, 06:07 PM   #55
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I am truly flattered by your attention Omnedon. Truly.
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Don't be. Posting to you beats finishing some technical spec work - but not by much.


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But since you have demonstrated that you will lie to me and about me,
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1. Ah, how quickly you inflate your assertions and transform them into facts. You're an amusing one. However, no such lying by me was ever demonstrated. True, you did engage in slander to that effect, but your slander is not proof. Not around here, anyhow.

2. All I have demonstrated is that you are a hypocrite. And, that when challenged to either put up or shut up, you withdraw into a pouty, whiny little deLayman. Like you're doing now - when it is conclusively shown that you overreached yourself on your claim. Instead of retracting or re-wording the claim, you shift the topic. Oops; we noticed.


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why should I continue to dialouge with you?
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Huh?

Pointing out your logical fallacies and double standards doesn't require any response from you at all, deLayman. Do whatever you like.



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Old 04-20-2001, 06:11 PM   #56
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Sorry Om, I know its hard for you to accept. But the breakup is official. You have demonstrated that you will lie to me and about me:
http://www.infidels.org/electronic/f...ML/000393.html

So. You are simply not worth it.
 
Old 04-20-2001, 06:27 PM   #57
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Sorry Om, I know its hard for you to accept. But the breakup is official.
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Um, again: challenging your fallacies and pointing out your double standards requires no interaction from you at all.


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You have demonstrated that you will lie to me and about me:
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You did lie. You claimed I offered no sources. But I did.

1. You lied.
2. You were caught.
3. Deal with it.


 
Old 04-20-2001, 06:35 PM   #58
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Your lies about me and your sources have been conclusively demonstrated:
http://www.infidels.org/electronic/f...ML/000393.html

 
Old 04-20-2001, 06:50 PM   #59
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Your lies about me and your sources have been conclusively demonstrated:
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You misspelled "frequently alleged".

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That link merely shows where you claimed I gave no sources. You were wrong.

As I said:
1. You lied.
2. You got caught.
3. Deal with it.

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