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Old 06-04-2001, 08:23 PM   #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DanLewis:
aikido7-There are a number of suggestive themes in Luke-Acts that all his story is of one piece. There is a repeated emphasis on salvation in Luke and Acts- the first being the appearance of salvation on earth in bodily form, and the second being the working out of salvation in the life of the church under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

That Luke uniquely portrayed that the foundation for the faith of the church in Acts lay in the happenings in his Gospel is no discredit to the other Gospel writers. As in his introduction to the Gospel, Luke is writing to show the firm foundation for the Christian faith (as he believes) and then to show the continuity of that faith with the early church. Each Gospel writer has his own unique emphases, obviously.

I might suggest that the other Gospel writers are obviously reaching out to different groups- John to the Greeks, Matthew to the Jews, and that their Gospels are focused on communicating the saving message of Christ in different ways.

Perhaps Luke alone recognized the need for an explanation, from the first apostles to the Christian church. "There is neither Jew nor Greek", and so perhaps Matthew and John did not write about the Greek's life in the church, or the Jew's life in the church, which did not exist. Christianity is a great democratizer in this regard. Luke certainly taps into this more global view of the faith in Luke-Acts.</font>
You could be right. I do not have any definitive answer and do not expect to find one. But I think that it is a good question, and one that we should keep open. The only people who could venture a worthwhile answer are the real experts on the other gospels--and it is my suspicion that they rarely ask such questions....

I think it would be very interesting to launch a whole series of unconventional questions out to the working stiffs in the academies especially to the scholars in the Jesus Seminar to help free them from the unconscious blinders they wear.





 
Old 06-04-2001, 08:55 PM   #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DanLewis:
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What value judgments are permissible, according to your belief system? I'm trying to understand because I haven't heard a lot about good old-fashioned Good and Evil from you. It seems like there is a centripetal acceleration toward making other belief-systems relevant for our culture and our selves.</font>
Sorry, Dan--I don't think I really understand what you are saying here. Explain it again, using different words perhaps.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Where does your belief in that come from?</font>
See my response above...

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You seem to accept that the post-modern paradigm is tied to our culture. Why is it then valid?</font>
It is no longer "tied," if it ever was. It has become a way of being. Contrary to conventional belief, the modernist revolution is not over and its essential spirit has now developed ongoing traditions of its own. It is valid by measure of its pervasiveness.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">In particular, I find you accepting the validity of propositions about Jesus which fit into this paradigm- non-absolutism, tolerance. You refuse those which contradict your paradigm. Why should Jesus be tied to your cultural paradigm?</font>
A careful study of history shows us that Jesus has been tied to every culture's paradigm. It is like syncretism writ large through history. Two useful books in this regard are "Jesus Through the Centuries" by Jeroslav Pelikan and "A Short History of the Interpretation of the Bible" by Grant and Tracy.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The only answer to this kind of pre-emptive argument is to produce the critical work that excludes the Mormon belief that the text has been irreplaceably altered in the course of transmission. I would add that it is the same kind of work which will prove or disprove your belief in a tolerant, unassuming Jesus.</font>
I again have trouble following you here concerning Joseph Smith and the Mormons(Sorry!). Tell it to me again like I am a six-year-old...

As for my belief in a "tolerant, unassuming Jesus," I did not make myself understood. For one thing, the Roman state did not brutally execute people for being "tolerant and unassuming." And for another--much of the contextual bite of Jesus' sayings have regrettably become deadened and too remote for us after 2000 years of familiarity and repetition. And recent work on the parables show that they are a speech form designed to dislocate the first-century listener and subvert traditional ways of seeing. Jesus was an iconoclast. We seem to be more comfortable keeping him as our icon.




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Old 06-04-2001, 09:47 PM   #13
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Oh, do not mind SecWebLurker. Though my personal opinion of him is that he would have a much better place in front of a speeding train than a computer, and that his pathetic pussy-whipped choir boy self would renounce every bit of nonsensical Christian bullshit he ever spit out of his cocksucking mouth if so much as a super soaker were put to his head, that is beside the point of understanding the cause of his attitude: his sarcasm-masked anger is just frustration over his own "sin". He just cannot help banging the neighbor's dog, passing up the extra 10 dollars a night he can earn by orally pleasuring the preists at his church, or the constant fornicating he does with his girlfriend (even if she is inflatable). So he takes his frustrations out on other non-Christian 'sinners' over the internet, when in reality, he is merely bashing the 'sinner' within his own loser-oriented mind.

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Good luck out on the street corner tonight you mischevious little male prostitute!

Sincerely,
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