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Old 06-03-2001, 12:51 PM   #11
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Yeah, reminds me of Eternal. Though the comparison isn't entirely fair; Eternal was absurd on purpose.
 
Old 06-03-2001, 06:08 PM   #12
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Metacrock is definitely living up to his name with this load of fertilizer!
 
Old 06-04-2001, 09:37 PM   #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Earl:
Too bad we don't have writing purportedly written by Jesus himself. Too bad we have only hearsay and no first-hand documentation by Jesus, whereas we do regarding Josephus. It's much easier to explain away hearsay than a first-hand, apparently well-informed and authentic account.</font>
Hey did you know that Jo was wrong about the year that the Romans left Messada? Yup and classicists knew it all along but due to lack of interdisciplinary communication they just never told Bible scholars or histoirans so they didn't find it out for a long time. This is meitioned in Gena Vermes book on the Dead Sea Scroll. Now Jo was there and he got the year wrong! Now isn't that fishy?
 
Old 06-04-2001, 09:39 PM   #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by phlebas:
This may be Meta's silliest argument yet.

Perhaps Josephus was a pseudonym. But SOMEONE wrote the works attributed to him.

If you can't see the difference between that and Jesus, then you're truly lost.</font>
Duh! The same could be said for Matt, Mark, Luke and John. If you can't see the similarity you are truly lost.

O btw, you are truly lost, i am saved.

 
Old 06-04-2001, 09:42 PM   #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jcl:
Metacrock is definitely living up to his name with this load of fertilizer! </font>
all of the same assumptions you think are so clever to dismiss the Gospels can be made agasint anything and if taken seriously could dismiss anything.


Hey, we know the passage was tweeked right? So his text was controled by Christians since every coply took on the tweeking. And he was wrong about the year of an event for which he was present. If it were Matt. we were discussing that's all it would take for you to dismiss it completey.
 
Old 06-04-2001, 09:50 PM   #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Metacrock:
We have only the texts that bear his name to prove he eixisted. We have only his word for it that he did anything he says he did. Who apart form Josephus admits he existed? And since you all are so dead certain that the Jesus bits are just made up out of whole cloth, how do you know the whole thing isn't just make up? Why should anyone beleive Josephus at all?</font>
Shut the fuck up, idiot.
 
Old 06-08-2001, 09:08 AM   #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cute Little Baby:
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Originally posted by Metacrock:
We have only the texts that bear his name to prove he eixisted. We have only his word for it that he did anything he says he did. Who apart form Josephus admits he existed? And since you all are so dead certain that the Jesus bits are just made up out of whole cloth, how do you know the whole thing isn't just make up? Why should anyone beleive Josephus at all?</font>
Shut the fuck up, idiot.

Duh! You make brain hurt! Me no like Brain hurt. Me not know 'bout big word things. Me no like make brain work, brain hurt when work!
 
Old 06-08-2001, 09:55 AM   #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Metacrock:
Highly probable based upon what evidence? YOu can't count his works because those are the one's in question. You cant' use the work in question to prove itself remember?

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Okay, Metacrock. You win! Neither Josephus nor Jesus existed! I have no problem with that position.

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Old 06-08-2001, 09:58 AM   #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by rodahi:
Okay, Metacrock. You win! Neither Josephus nor Jesus existed! I have no problem with that position.

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Since John the Baptist is known only through the New Testament and Josephus' writings, can we scratch him off the list too Rodahi?
 
Old 06-08-2001, 10:02 AM   #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cute Little Baby:
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Originally posted by Metacrock:
We have only the texts that bear his name to prove he eixisted. We have only his word for it that he did anything he says he did. Who apart form Josephus admits he existed? And since you all are so dead certain that the Jesus bits are just made up out of whole cloth, how do you know the whole thing isn't just make up? Why should anyone beleive Josephus at all?</font>
Shut the fuck up, idiot.
CLB,

As much as I dislike Metacrock's name-calling and other Christian apologetic tactics, I have not called him a name, nor have many others who have argued with him.

Your comment-- "Shut the fuck up, idiot."-- is inappropriate. The best way to shut him up is with solid, well-supported argumentation.

rodahi
 
 
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