Offa,

I intend to spend some time reading about John Aquila and
James Niceta (the sons of Zebedee) so I began to read
The Ante-Nicene Fathers, volume viii, p. 75..346
about the Recognitions of Clement and the Clementine
Homilies.

I just got started and I found this gem, p. 75;
The epistle which the same Clement writing to James the
Lord's brother, informs him of the death of Peter, and that
he had left him his successor in his chair and teaching, and
in which also the whole subject of church order is treated.


What in the hell is he talking about? Thiering writes that
James was bludgeoned to death September of AD 62 and
that Paul and Peter were executed by Nero in AD 64.

I will figure it out, but, I've got a lot of reading to do.
Any help would be appreciated (on the death of Peter).

thanks, offa

The Clementine Hommolies are not By Clement of Rome, and in fact were forgeries. Clement of Rome wrote only one epistle that we know of, 1 Clement. 2nd Clement is Pesudagraphal and proabably originates in Egypt.

There are two traditions of Jame's death, I dont believe that 1 Clement even mentions James. Jospehus writes about his death and there is another tradition form somewhere. You really should take her stuff with a whole salt shaker.

thanks metacrock;

I have been posting my sources, I guess, because I have them. Do you have any sources?

Do you notice that I seldom use url's to click on? They are too circular. In the last few months I have bought "The Bible Unearthed" and "James the Brother of Jesus".
I was disappointed with the first and have not gotten past page 250 of the second. I have just finished the "Clementine Recognitions" and am about to read the "Homilies".

I look for "gems" and, as my understanding of the Scriptures and gospels leads me to believe that Jesus existed, his father was Cleophas (a.k.a. Joseph and the holy spirit) and that he was crucified and walked out of the cave under his own power. So when I read "scholars" who imply otherwise I have a difficult time following them.

My question to you is, since you write and paste in volumes, "Do you ever read anything?"

I would like some sources for your forgery stories. You know, they use to claim that "Jubilees" was written by a spurious author centuries after the crucifixion and
lo' and behold, the writings were discovered along with the Dead Sea Scrolls
and these scrolls are claimed to be from 100 or so b.c.e. In other words, I am willing to read forbidden books and I also read the gospels and draw my own conclusions.

Talking about empty salt-shakers, at least she has a salt-shaker.

thanks, offa