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Old 04-13-2001, 10:26 PM   #71
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Actually, I think my point was that Ceasar *remained* dead. Not that he died in the first place. Chrsitainity is very clear on the fact that Jesus, God incarnate, died on the Cross as an atonement for my sins and yours.
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Fairy tales are usually quite clear about the moral lessons they want to get across.

That does not prevent them from being fairy tales, however. And since you have no proof of the "god incarnate" or "dying for sins" part, your statement is a non sequitir.

And finally, since you have no evidence that Christ did not also "remain dead", I would say that you have two equivalent scenarios:

1. Caesar and Christ died.
2. Caesar and Christ remained dead.

 
Old 04-13-2001, 10:28 PM   #72
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Your "Miracle Worker" thread is totally busted. You have completely failed to address the points that turtonm, SingleDad and I made about the flaws in your so-called "tools" of textual criticism. So I am not sure where you get off demanding that other people address your points."

Conclusory BS. As usual.
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Not BS at all. You have not addressed the points that I carefully enumerated.

Get busy.
 
Old 04-13-2001, 10:30 PM   #73
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Fairy tales are usually quite clear about the moral lessons they want to get across.

That does not prevent them from being fairy tales, however. And since you have no proof of the "god incarnate" or "dying for sins" part, your statement is a non sequitir.

And finally, since you have no evidence that Christ did not also "remain dead", I would say that you have two equivalent scenarios:

1. Caesar and Christ died.
2. Caesar and Christ remained dead.
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I don't think you know what a non sequitir is.
 
Old 04-13-2001, 10:36 PM   #74
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Not BS at all. You have not addressed the points that I carefully enumerated.

Get busy.
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We've been over many of those points again and again. The fact that you weren't convinced, or pretend something was not responded to, does not mean that a defense was not mounted.

That being said, there are several projects I am working on. But I have plenty of time. You don't set my schedule. And you've wasted too much of my time already by your unsubstantiated personal attacks. (Yes, I know, my own fault. I have been begging for them. ).

You see Om. When you actually want to discuss history seriously, it takes time to do real research and prepare a post. You should try it some time.



In the meantime, I did begin following up on a discussion of other supposed miracle workers. Please see my discussion on "Other Jewish Miracle Workers?"
 
Old 04-13-2001, 10:38 PM   #75
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"No, you did not. You mischaracterized it and then you backed off."

You are wrong.
 
Old 04-13-2001, 11:49 PM   #76
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I don't think you know what a non sequitir is.
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Nice dodge. I repeat:

Fairy tales are usually quite clear about the moral lessons they want to get across.
That does not prevent them from being fairy tales, however. And since you have no proof of the "god incarnate" or "dying for sins" part, your statement is a non sequitir.

And finally, since you have no evidence that Christ did not also "remain dead", I would say that you have two equivalent scenarios:

1. Caesar and Christ died.
2. Caesar and Christ remained dead.


 
Old 04-13-2001, 11:58 PM   #77
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We've been over many of those points again and again. The fact that you weren't convinced, or pretend something was not responded to, does not mean that a defense was not mounted.
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Except in this case, it does mean that.

1. There were seven specific points listed.
2. You failed to address them.
3. End of story.


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That being said, there are several projects I am working on. But I have plenty of time.
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Ah, I see. First you tell me that we have gone over these points again and again, and that you have already replied to the seven problems identified with your busted Miracle Worker post.

Now you say that you are busy with other projects, and that the responses will be forthcoming later, on your own timetable.

So which is it, Liarman? Did you already respond? Or are the responses coming later?

And you wonder why I consider you to be nothing more than a windbag and a liar.


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You don't set my schedule. And you've wasted too much of my time already by your unsubstantiated personal attacks. (Yes, I know, my own fault. I have been begging for them. ).
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Consider yourself lucky. You only got about half what you deserved.


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You see Om. When you actually want to discuss history seriously, it takes time to do real research and prepare a post. You should try it some time.
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I have. But I don't waste too much of my time worrying about your claims. You know - don't cast your pearls before swine, and all that.


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In the meantime, I did begin following up on a discussion of other supposed miracle workers. Please see my discussion on "Other Jewish Miracle Workers?"
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Yawn. I'll wait for you to fix the original Miracle Worker post.

 
Old 04-14-2001, 12:03 AM   #78
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No, you did not. You mischaracterized it and then you backed off."

You are wrong.
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Am I?

POINT 1: You said this about Dennis:

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As for my inclusion in the post, Dennis only offered that up after I pressed him on the point that I had never endorsed any such idea that the evidence for Ceasar was less than that for JEsus.
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POINT 2: Then I posted exactly what Dennis said about you here:

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Over in other threads, theists like Nomad and Layman are disingenously dispensing the notion that the life of Jesus is one of the best attested in all of history, as compared to other figures of the ancient world.
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The simple fact is that Nomad and Layman are simply being credulous when they claim that the evidence for anything Jesus supposively said or did is a historic fact. Compared to the sources of information we have for Caesar, the evidence for Jesus's life is anemic. When you consider the sources, it becomes unbelievable. There is no reason to accept their viewpoint at all.

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POINT 3: Following which, I specifically asked you:

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Now having been forced to focus on what Dennis actually said, do you disagree with it?
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And you've been silent ever since.

Q.E.D.

[This message has been edited by Omnedon1 (edited April 14, 2001).]
 
Old 04-14-2001, 12:08 AM   #79
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So, if you please, the J. McDowell reference and/or any indication you might have that Nomad or myself relied on him for the notion that we have more evidence for Jesus' life than we do for Ceasar's?
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Just curious: are you ever going to show me where I said anything even remotely close to the text in bold, deLayman?

 
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And you've been silent ever since.

Q.E.D.

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Nothing but selective quotations and irrelevant inferences.
 
 

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