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Old 12-04-2001, 11:40 PM   #11
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Omnidon1:
You quoted Genisis 2:5/6; wasn't this before Adam was created? How is this passage supposed to say that it never rained from this point until the flood? Would you not see rainbows in a mist (I know I do when I wash my car!!)?


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Old 12-05-2001, 01:38 AM   #12
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<strong>Omnidon1:
You quoted Genisis 2:5/6; wasn't this before Adam was created? How is this passage supposed to say that it never rained from this point until the flood?</strong>
It implies that rain wasn't needed, because of the mist. Anyway, there were no houses for people to go into anyway.
I think creationists might say that there could have been some light rain, but it wouldn't have been enough to make rainbows.

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<strong>Would you not see rainbows in a mist (I know I do when I wash my car!!)?</strong>
They're called "mist-bows".

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Old 12-05-2001, 12:10 PM   #13
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Lemme see, "mist from the earth" rises and then, supposedly, falls on the earth to water it. That's not rain?

Plus, what's the good of taking water from the earth and then putting it back on again?

Rain is nothing more than "mist from the waters" (and some from the ground) that condenses and falls to earth.
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Old 12-05-2001, 12:30 PM   #14
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Wait a minute...

If God invented rainbows as a promise that he would never destroy the world again with a flood, and the way he introduced those rainbows was by introducing rain, then that means that every time rain causes a flood and destroys crap, that is God's way of saying that he'll never destoy the world again with a flood.

Way to go, God.
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Old 12-05-2001, 12:33 PM   #15
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Yeah! And where was this God when they made Waterworld?!?
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Old 12-05-2001, 02:04 PM   #16
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<strong>Yeah! And where was this God when they made Waterworld?!?</strong>
I can't speak for God, but I know where I was. I was up on Mauna Kea wishing they'd turn the lights off down there in Kawaihae Harbor. The light pollution from the set was horrible!
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Old 12-05-2001, 05:35 PM   #17
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<strong>Wait a minute...

If God invented rainbows as a promise that he would never destroy the world again with a flood, and the way he introduced those rainbows was by introducing rain, then that means that every time rain causes a flood and destroys crap, that is God's way of saying that he'll never destoy the world again with a flood.

Way to go, God.</strong>
Yahweh promised not to flood the *entire* world again. And as far as I can recall, He has kept his promise.

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Old 12-05-2001, 06:33 PM   #18
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<strong>Omnidon1:
You quoted Genisis 2:5/6; wasn't this before Adam was created?
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That depends. By the Gen 1 account, man was already created. But by the Gen. 2 account, it's possible that man wasn't created yet after all.

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How is this passage supposed to say that it never rained from this point until the flood? Would you not see rainbows in a mist (I know I do when I wash my car!!)?
When it says "for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth", the implication is that this is a reference to the flood of Noah. I think most creationists mentally insert the word "yet" at the end of the phrase.

The mist that is described is (I would guess) more like the morning dew or fog. Not like the mist you get from a water misting sprinkler. Also, I don't think that rainbows "count", unless they're in the heavens.


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Old 12-05-2001, 06:52 PM   #19
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<strong>Yahweh promised not to flood the *entire* world again. And as far as I can recall, He has kept his promise.</strong>
Oh, I know. I just find that more than a bit ironic.

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Old 12-10-2001, 09:34 PM   #20
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the Bible doesn't really say that the sky is solid. Another creationist interpretation of the firmanent is the "atmosphere".
The Bible does say or implies that the firmament is solid in many places.

Job 37:18
can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?

Isaiah 40:22 He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Ezekiel 1:22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

Rev 6:15
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together

As for the firmament being the atmosphere...
I had this one thrown at me before. In Genesis it says that the firmament divided water above the firmament from water below the firmament. It does not say that the firmament contained any water.
What then is the water above the atmosphere???

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