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Old 10-26-2001, 11:35 AM   #61
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Quad Whore -

“I made no statement about my position on anything.”

“You're an idiot. Just because I am correcting you're flawed logic doesn't make me a christian. In fact I am an atheist.”

I appreciate any factual criticism you or anyone else presents and I am certainly not above reproach. I made no claims that the actual text contradicted itself, but rather that Jasin was making contradictory statements in regards to the actual nature of the Universe as has been determined by science. Prior to the specific statement quoted above, you did not make any direct claim to be Christian or a theist by stating your affiliation one way or another. I was incorrect in stating you are a Christian, but as I pointed out before, atheists do not make claims that a god can or cannot do anything, especially followed by such dismissing comments as “Shut up.” Unless of course it is tongue in cheek and loaded with sarcasm! Therefore by your statements on this thread I have concluded you are more likely to be a theist and not an atheist. Although I cannot claim sufficient knowledge of your position by what you have posted in this forum I can draw conclusions based upon your actions. You also descended so far is to call me an idiot and ignorant on several occasions. The use of personal insults in an attempt to refute a position (and support a Christian one in this case), instead of supporting your position with some sort of evidence is a poor way to represent yourself. Atheists generally don’t feel insulted when someone else, atheist or otherwise attacks the points of a theistic position. My contention was not with your attempts to point any error in my comments, but your conduct and actions in regards to this.

In the future it may help if you read things from a less defensive position and it is hardly every prudent to lower oneself to the use of personal insults in an attempt to either win an argument or in support of your position.

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Old 10-26-2001, 11:57 AM   #62
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Quad Whore,

“Sure you are. You just got done arguing that the bible is false based on the fact that there was a day and night cycle before the creation of the sun.”

Actually, I believe the Bible to be false for a great number of reason – this simply being one of a myriad that lead most reasonable and intelligent people to disregard it’s authority or accuracy. I think I supported my argument fairly well – that there is no evidence of a fixed light source and the improbability that this statement in the bible is an accurate representation of the origins of the Earth or the Universe. I asked for a sufficient explanation as to how this could be. Could you provide an explanation as to how there was a day and night cycle before the creation of a sun or “similar” celestial body? Can you do so with either biblical or scientific evidence?

Furthermore, why are you arguing the position of support of a fable? If you believe that this is a myth (as an atheist likely would) why do you seem to have such a personal beef with my statements? Have I presented false evidence?

I certainly argued the statement in Genesis is likely incorrect AND that I think the Bible is false for some of the reasons I have previously stated in this thread and the others. However I did not argue that the Bible is false based on the “fact” that there was a day and night cycle BEFORE the creation of the sun, but simply that it is highly improbable that the statement in this one book of the Bible, Genesis are true.

“Actually the bible makes no such claim. people foolishly accept it as fact.”

Really – can you support that statement with biblical evidence?? Although you won’t find me arguing that the Bible is accurate or has any authority however there a more than a few million people on this Earth that tend to disagree with such a position. So much so that people have died for stating otherwise. Truly Quad Whore, I am interested to see the evidence you have to support this position. It might help to open the eyes of many. Jasin surely believes it to be accurate and authoritative and has developed a very strong “faith” based upon it. Maybe your time would be better spent showing theists the biblical evidence that supports your claim that the Bible does not claim divine authority or accuracy.

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Old 10-26-2001, 12:13 PM   #63
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[QB]Fortuna_of_Rome I have no problem with the bible nor anything in it. Your the one with the problem. I was merly showing how there is no contridiction And I have done just that...I am in no way a literalist just because I explain somethin literly...
There are no contridictions in the bible the contridiction is in your understanding of what's there...make an effort in understanding what's in Gods word then try taking some classes in grammar,theology. Why should anyone accept any opinions or statements from any agnostic/atheist as truth? It's not as if they have authority or credinitals in anything.
No, I would say that you must have some sort of problem. Your rudely defensive posture is not indicative of someone without some sort of issue.

"there are no contradictions in the bible" - No need to address this, first of all , I said inconsistencies. But, many people have pointed out hundreds of contradictions. You will offer us "explanations" that require us to really stretch to accomodate your view.
Usually, "The simplist solution is the correct one". Same goes here.

"Study of theology and credentials" - I have a BS in Physics, and I am working on my masters thesis in ancient history, specializing in Greco-Roman. I have read most of the Tanakh [in Hebrew] and most of the NT and the Apochryphal books.


What might I ask, are your qualifications ?
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Old 10-26-2001, 11:15 PM   #64
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There is no contridiction [sic] there and that is clear it has been shown. The contridiction [sic] is in your understanding of whats [sic] there. Go take a class in theology.
It is quite interesting to me that you keep talking about "no contridiction [sic]" when the fact is that I haven't said there was a contradiction. It is also interesting to me that you need to find such elaborate explanations for the apparent inconsistency here. A much simpler and equally satisfactory "explanation" is that "God" just turned a huge, very powerful flashlight on and off until he subsequently created the Sun.

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Old 10-26-2001, 11:19 PM   #65
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Don if you knew anything about whats [sic] even in the bible you would know that the bible it's [sic] self teaches us to reprove,rebuke [sic] and be bold not just love.


God Bless!

I do know what's in the Bible, Jasin. And yes, I know that it says to reprove, rebuke, etc. But it also suggests that what we do should be done gently and lovingly. The idea is to be such a good witness for Christ that others would want to be like you.

IPU bless you,

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