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Old 04-03-2001, 10:38 AM   #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ernest Sparks:
[B]Is this the same BBC program?

(DISCOVERY CHANNEL)Jesus: the Complete Story</font>
Yes it is. It will air Easter Sunday, April 15 and Easter Monday April 16.

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Old 04-03-2001, 10:47 AM   #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lpetrich:
I wonder why Nomad is much more worked up about members of the Jesus Seminar appearing on TV than all those Fundie TV evangelists appearing on TV.</font>
I wonder how lpetrich came to this ridiculous conclusion.

1) Did the question of fundamentalist preachers even come up on this thread? (Remember how I have asked you to try and stay on topic before lpetrich?)

2) How do you know what I think about TV evangelists if you don't ask me?

3) Are you admitting (by means of your analogy) here that ABC presented a biased program? If not, what was the point of your post?

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Old 04-03-2001, 02:01 PM   #23
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My reason for that TV-evangelist comment is that if one wants a totally uncritical view of Jesus Christ, such a view should be easy to find in a TV-evangelist show.
 
Old 04-03-2001, 02:04 PM   #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lpetrich:
My reason for that TV-evangelist comment is that if one wants a totally uncritical view of Jesus Christ, such a view should be easy to find in a TV-evangelist show.</font>
Or, in other words, rather than admit that the ABC special was in fact biased, you attempted to change the topic to an irrelevant subject.

When it doubt, bash the fundies.
 
Old 04-03-2001, 02:20 PM   #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lpetrich:

My reason for that TV-evangelist comment is that if one wants a totally uncritical view of Jesus Christ, such a view should be easy to find in a TV-evangelist show.</font>
But this just brings me back to my other question lpetrich. Why have you placed this false dichotomy, and assumed that I am not interested in watching a program that takes a critical view of Jesus? The show was biased, and that was my point. One can take a critical view of the historical Jesus and still be balanced in one's discussion. ABC did not do this, and worst of all, they pretended that this was exactly what they were doing.

A televised evangelism program makes no bones about being objective, so at least it is being honest in its presentation. Personally, when I am reading or viewing something with an agenda behind it, I prefer to know what that agenda is. With everything out in the open, we can then evaluate its content and claims accordingly.

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Old 04-03-2001, 02:43 PM   #26
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Just out of curiosity, did the show state things that were incorrect, or did it leave important information out? (I didn't see it)
 
Old 04-03-2001, 03:33 PM   #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by madmax2976:
Just out of curiosity, did the show state things that were incorrect, or did it leave important information out? (I didn't see it)</font>
I didn't see it all, and can't remember every point I disputed, but one thing stands out in my mind. They quoted Crossan as just denying that anyone who is crucified is allowed to be buried. But, as you can see in the October 25, 1999 issue of U.S. News & World Report, a recent archeological discovery found the remains of a first century crucifixion victim properly buried in an ossuary. I remember shouting this particular fact at the television. Nevertheless, my cries went unheaded as no mention of this directly contradictory evidence was made.

For a more thorough critique, check out the link that Nomad provided:

http://www.equip.org/abouthank/Point...t_response.htm

[This message has been edited by Layman (edited April 03, 2001).]
 
Old 04-03-2001, 04:31 PM   #28
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This makes me wonder what Nomad and Bede and Layman would have preferred -- that Crossan and others assert that their methodology is like that of "creation science" "research institutes" whose members must assert that they believe in the literal truth of the Bible?
 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nomad:
Did you actually WATCH the program on ABC?</font>
Yeah, a couple times.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Did you notice that the ONLY scholar that either wasn't from the Jesus Seminar or actually took the Bible seriously was N.T. Wright, and he got perhaps 3 whole minutes of airtime in the show?</font>
Yeah, it was refreshing to see, after two thousand years of professional liars hogging the spotlight.

[This message has been edited by hezekiahjones (edited April 03, 2001).]
 
Old 04-03-2001, 04:35 PM   #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by lpetrich:
This makes me wonder what Nomad and Bede and Layman would have preferred -- that Crossan and others assert that their methodology is like that of "creation science" "research institutes" whose members must assert that they believe in the literal truth of the Bible?</font>
I see rather than respond to the issue, you have once again fallen back on the, if all else fails, bash the fundies. The reference is not to the creation science research institute, it is to the Christian Research Institute.

Moreover, I am not asking that ABC put Josh McDowell or Lee Strobel on, they are not New Testament scholars. But how could they ignore E.P. Sanders and John P. Meier? Or Graham Stanton and Ben Witherington? Why four scholars from the same institute, the Jesus Seminar, and ignore leaders in the field like Sanders and Meier?

None of the above beleive in inerrancy or are fundamentalists.
 
 

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