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Old 10-22-2001, 10:45 PM   #11
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Its not really a contradiction.
Did someone say that it was?

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Old 10-23-2001, 05:39 AM   #12
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"Its not really a contradiction.
the bible says god created the sun and the moon to keep track of time. So acording to the story there was already a day and night cycle, the sun and the moon where only created to mark it. The amount of light god was generating if any before he created the sun is irrelevent"

Okay Quad Whore - I am not scientist, but IF GOD generated light prior to creating the sun we would be able to detect that - there would be some trace and it would make sense if the bible said "And God illuminated the Earth and Heavens from his holy light within and yadda, yadda, yadda."

There could be no light great enough to ILLUMINATE the Earth and differentiate day from night other than the sun - or some other similar celestial body. I am sorry to admit that scientific knowledge is poor (although I continue to educate myself on these matters) and I know that the literal explanation (or any of the made up rationalizations) are just a bunch of none sense. All attempts to explain it - as you have - have absolutely no basis in reality.

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Old 10-23-2001, 05:42 AM   #13
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Based on Jasinís usage of grammar, spelling and punctuation, I have to wonder if Jasin is Metacrock in disguise.
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Old 10-23-2001, 07:28 AM   #14
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<STRONG>Based on Jasin’s usage of grammar, spelling and punctuation, I have to wonder if Jasin is Metacrock in disguise.</STRONG>
Unlikely; in all my time here I have never seen Meta plagiarize. He tends to use his own arguments.
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Old 10-23-2001, 07:36 AM   #15
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DON you shouldn't allow such ignorance to come across this forum.

Now I'm going to sum this up for you idiots cause your ignorance gets in the way of knowing what I'm even talking about or refering to.

1. The liberty doctrinal footnotes validates the context of Gen 1:4.

2. The science corroborates the context given.

3. Many defintions in our own lexicon can be used to translate the hebrew word rwa to somethin other then the sun.
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Old 10-23-2001, 08:11 AM   #16
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I havn't gone into Gen 1:14 because there's no need to I have no disagreement that it's clearly the sun being refered to Gen 1:14.

But I will disagree that it's the sun and the sun only that divides night and day, light and darkness. Now with that being said That is in no way an INCONSISTENCIE and here why.

"heaven to divide" is the heavenly bodies out there in the heavens which is the sun,moon,stars,ect.. all of which are a part of the process that divides night an day,light and dark.

Now if you don't know how thats possible then you should of payed attention in grade school. But for those who didn't I will tell you this:

The earth spins around once in 24 hours. The distance from the earth to the sun is about 93 million miles we call that distance one astronomical unit, or 1 AU.
http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/Image...ayandnight.gif
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Old 10-23-2001, 12:01 PM   #17
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Jasin - Have you ever by chance stood outside on a moonless night? I don't know about you but without artificial, man made light I can hardly see my hand in front of my face.

All of the celestial/heavenly bodies cannot produce enough light from their distance from the earth to create sufficient light to differentiate much of anything. Not to mention the moon is reflecting the SUN's light when it shines and it not independently illuminating jack shit!! So even during a full moon it's still pretty damn dark out where I live!

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Old 10-23-2001, 01:07 PM   #18
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Quote:
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<STRONG>"Its not really a contradiction.
the bible says god created the sun and the moon to keep track of time. So acording to the story there was already a day and night cycle, the sun and the moon where only created to mark it. The amount of light god was generating if any before he created the sun is irrelevent"

Okay Quad Whore - I am not scientist, but IF GOD generated light prior to creating the sun we would be able to detect that - there would be some trace and it would make sense if the bible said "And God illuminated the Earth and Heavens from his holy light within and yadda, yadda, yadda."
</STRONG>
Nonsense. There is no reason we should now be able to detect such light.

<STRONG>
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There could be no light great enough to ILLUMINATE the Earth and differentiate day from night other than the sun - or some other similar celestial body.
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So god can't create light as great as the sun? Shut up.

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I am sorry to admit that scientific knowledge is poor (although I continue to educate myself on these matters) and I know that the literal explanation (or any of the made up rationalizations) are just a bunch of none sense. All attempts to explain it - as you have - have absolutely no basis in reality.

Brighid</STRONG>
I'm not trying to explain it. I don't believe it anymore than you do, but that doesn't mean it is contradictory. Its just vague, nothing more.
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Old 10-23-2001, 01:08 PM   #19
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<STRONG>Jasin - Have you ever by chance stood outside on a moonless night? I don't know about you but without artificial, man made light I can hardly see my hand in front of my face.

All of the celestial/heavenly bodies cannot produce enough light from their distance from the earth to create sufficient light to differentiate much of anything. Not to mention the moon is reflecting the SUN's light when it shines and it not independently illuminating jack shit!! So even during a full moon it's still pretty damn dark out where I live!

Brighid</STRONG>
At the time there was no person around to differentiate anything. So the amount of light is irrelevant.
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Old 10-23-2001, 04:15 PM   #20
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Many defintions in our own lexicon can be used to translate the hebrew word rwa to somethin other then the sun.
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First of all, Jasin, copy it correctly. I don't know which Hebrew word you were referring to, though I assume you're referring to or. Let's get some definitions straight:

1. or (pl orot) - light, light as a concept or object.

2. ma'or (pl me'orot) - a source of light, a lamp, an abundance of light, the effect of lighting.

3. shemesh - the Sun.

Gen 1 first tells about the creation of or (light itself), and then, on the fourth day, about the creation of hama'or hagadol (the great light-source) to govern the day and of hame'orot haqaton (the lesser light-source) to govern the night, and the stars (kokhavim). The words shemesh (sun) and yareah (moon) are not mentioned in Genesis 1.


See again my reference here:

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/genesis1.html
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