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Old 05-12-2001, 10:01 PM   #21
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Opus,

I'm not saying this in a spiteful or mean way, but why do you claim that appeals to authority "mean nothing to you" (not true), and then give me a link to some atheist website which attempts to disprove the apostles' martyrdoms? Is this not an appeal to authority?

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Old 05-13-2001, 09:33 AM   #22
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You are also asking questions outside the proof, looking back in to confirm your argument that the books must have contained 100% truth. Impossible to do as you can do this with many books of fiction.

Using your same technique. Let me ask you a few questions

Why didn’t Jesus have someone taking down every word he spoke as it came out of his mouth?

Why wait so many years for it to be recorded, thereby casting doubt on most every word spoken?

I can’t even remember what my wife told me this morning, much less what was spoken 10 years ago.

Can you find 2 people who heard a sermon 10 years ago that would agree as to what was said, what emphasis was placed on what, what exact words that were used, what real message was being taught? …. Now try that 70 years later and add in several years of teaching and important sentences.

If your god writes books under those conditions, I will wait for the next god to arrive.


 
Old 05-13-2001, 04:42 PM   #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by matt:
1984 is a cold war book about "Big Brother" and a nosy world government, right?

What does that have to do with the gospels?
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You really should read the book then.
It's not about the cold war. It was written
in 1948.

Winston Smith (the main character) works for the
minstry of truth. His job is to re-edit
old newspaper stories and change peoples recolection of history so that it complies
with the current agenda. Since the gubment
controls all copies of the papers, people
only know what they can read, since as
pointed out in another response to the thread,
memories tend to forget details.

Doesn't this sound familiar? Like a council
to decide which writings are "cannon" and
which ones aren't?

 
Old 05-13-2001, 07:30 PM   #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kosh:
You really should read the book then.
It's not about the cold war. It was written
in 1948.

Winston Smith (the main character) works for the
minstry of truth. His job is to re-edit
old newspaper stories and change peoples recolection of history so that it complies
with the current agenda. Since the gubment
controls all copies of the papers, people
only know what they can read, since as
pointed out in another response to the thread,
memories tend to forget details.

Doesn't this sound familiar? Like a council
to decide which writings are "cannon" and
which ones aren't?
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1984 is about the WWII and the Cold War. The Ministry of Truth is the BBC, and Winston's London is the dreary London of the war and immediate postwar years.

Michael
 
Old 05-13-2001, 08:02 PM   #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by turtonm:
1984 is about the WWII and the Cold War. The Ministry of Truth is the BBC, and Winston's London is the dreary London of the war and immediate postwar years.

Michael
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Do you have an authoratative source for
this opinion?

Can you even prove that George Orwell existed?

;-)

 
Old 05-14-2001, 12:25 AM   #26
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Who?

I seem to recall a memory hole...
 
 

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