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Old 07-23-2001, 08:56 AM   #1
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Question Of Jews and Gentiles (Q for Thiests of the Week)

I found myself wondering about this yesterday
while pulling weeds in the yard (not sure of
the Freudian implications of why pulling weeds made me think about Christianity...)

If you believe the OT, then ALL persons on
the Earth must be descendants of Noah. Right?
I mean there was this big ol' flood, and only
Noah and his kids made it through. Then they
went out and populated the world (well, the
middleast). Then the tower of Babel thing happened which accounts for the different
languages and cultures spread out across the
world (and guess that could explain the
marsupials down under as well).

But still, you would have to hold the view
the all people descended from Noah (and even
if you discount the flood myth, they would
all be descended from Adam and Eve).

So..... where does this bit about the Jews
being God's chosen people, with all others
classified as "Gentiles"? Wouldn't all Gentiles be Jews as well (although, I guess
they'd be considered lost Jews? Or maybe
wandering Jews?)?

Just curious if someone could explain that
to me and point out my mis-understanding.

thanks.
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Old 07-23-2001, 09:31 AM   #2
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Abraham came after Noah...

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Old 07-23-2001, 09:37 AM   #3
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<STRONG>Abraham came after Noah...

Ish</STRONG>
And your point is? Are you saying
that Jews are only those from Abraham,
and Gentiles are those from Noah? Still
pretty simimlar bloodlines, wouldn't ya
think?
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Old 07-23-2001, 09:42 AM   #4
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<STRONG>And your point is?</STRONG>
The Covenant was made between God and Abraham. The Jews are the descendants of Abraham and Isaac and of the Covenant with God.

Check out Genesis 15 - 17.

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Old 07-23-2001, 09:49 AM   #5
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Who are the Japanese descended from?
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Old 07-23-2001, 09:55 AM   #6
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<STRONG>Who are the Japanese descended from?</STRONG>
Adam and Eve of course.

Is this a pop quiz or something?

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Old 07-23-2001, 10:09 AM   #7
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<STRONG>

Adam and Eve of course.

Ish</STRONG>
You'd think they would have remembered
somthing like that, huh?
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Old 07-23-2001, 06:38 PM   #8
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Originally posted by Ish:

Adam and Eve of course.

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Kosh: You'd think they would have remembered
somthing like that, huh?


Of course! That is how we know the story is nothing but Hebrew mythology.

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Old 07-23-2001, 07:17 PM   #9
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<STRONG>You'd think they would have remembered
somthing like that, huh?</STRONG>
I believe that they have some sort of flood story too (like many other cultures), do they not?

Regardless, you might think they would have remembered that... However, it was an awfully long time from then until writing was invented.

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Old 07-24-2001, 12:45 AM   #10
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The Flood occurred after the Egyptians began recording their history (the Egyptians of the "Valley of the Kings" noterioty and not the Egypt located in the vicinity of Qumran) and even though the Flood occurded "after" their history (ability to write) began, their lifestyle continued unabated without their knowledge of such an event ever happening.

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