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Old 06-03-2001, 01:03 PM   #21
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Ummm, Tercel, do you realize that you merely illustrated my point?
 
Old 06-03-2001, 11:44 PM   #22
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You might get some information on biblical nonsense from reading various links in the Philosophy section on www.bobkwebsite.com.

Basic Philosophy: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/basicphilosophy.html

The Source of Causality: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/sourceofcausality.html

Standards for the Analysis, Evaluation and Judgment of Holy Books: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/stndrdsholybks.html

Standards for the Analysis, Evaluation and Judgement of Gods: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/stndrdsgods.html

Contradictions in the Christian Bible: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/biblclcntrdctns.html

The Bel (Baal) Myth Parallels to the Jesus Myth: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html

The Judeo-Christian, Chaldean and Hindu Flood Myths: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/floodmyths.html

The Hindu Krishna and Christian Jesus Myth Parallels: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/krishnajesusmyths.html

Biblical Fictions: http://www.bobkwebsite.com/biblicalfictions.html

These links can get you started on locating and studying the words that are considered to be irrational and that, therefore, can be used to discredit the Bible.

[This message has been edited by Bob K (edited June 04, 2001).]
 
Old 06-04-2001, 03:48 AM   #23
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How to discredit the Bible all depends on what you mean by discrediting.

Whilst it is ludicrous to conclude there is nothing describing any factual occurences whatsoever in the entirity of the Bible, it is not ludicrous to conclude that every word in the Bible came from the very lips of an omnipotent being.

I think many of the arguments regarding Bible discreditation comes down to a different understanding of what exactly is being discredited by either side. For instance, how many on this thread truly believe that every word in the Bible is God's?
 
Old 06-04-2001, 04:41 AM   #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tercel:
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Originally posted by JubalH:
My favorite simple one is this. Both Mohammed and John Smith claimed to set down a bible inspired directly by God. How does one decide those claims are false, but the Gospels are true? And why don't those reasons persuade Moslems and Mormons?</font>
And my favourite simple one is this:
WITH YOUR BRAIN.
It's there for a reason you know.
My BRAIN tells me that no one rises from the dead. The narratives in the NT rank along side all other religious propaganda in credibility.

rodahi

 
Old 06-04-2001, 04:45 AM   #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kachana:
How to discredit the Bible all depends on what you mean by discrediting.

Whilst it is ludicrous to conclude there is nothing describing any factual occurences whatsoever in the entirity of the Bible, it is not ludicrous to conclude that every word in the Bible came from the very lips of an omnipotent being.

I think many of the arguments regarding Bible discreditation comes down to a different understanding of what exactly is being discredited by either side. For instance, how many on this thread truly believe that every word in the Bible is God's?
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NONE of the words in the JC Bible are from a god. Every word, sentence, paragraph, page, and book were inspired by ancient, superstitious human beings.

ALL literature has been inspired by human beings.

rodahi



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Old 06-04-2001, 04:49 AM   #26
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Plus they believe in extensive brainwashing of children. (What it is...)</font>
Is there any reason I cannot equally accuse atheists of brainwashing of children?
Atheists don't scare children into thinking there's a big invisible man watching over them at all times. Atheists don't use this to guilt trip children. Atheists don't use this to force children into serving said invisible man for the rest of their lives.

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Or the geneologies. Jesus can't have two you know. And regardless of all the blathering an apologist will give you about Mary's assumed lineage, the bible doesn't say that.</font>
Could people please STOP CONFUSING "FUNDAMENTALISTS" AND "CHRISTIANS".
They are not one and the same thing. I am a Christian but not a fundamentalist. Most Christians I have seen posting here are not fundamentalists. If you don't like the doctrine of inerrancy then don't believe it! I don't like it and I don't believe it, but yet I am still a Christian.
Only a fundamentalist need harmonise the details of the ressurection accounts or reconcile the geneologies of Jesus. Disproving inerrancy only affects fundamentalists, who are, all said an done a minority of Christians.[/B]
Credo quai consolans. You believe because it is consoling. God and heaven and all that is a defence mechanism to make an intolerable situation - that you exist then you do not, that you'll never see loved ones again - into a tolerable one of eternal life.
 
Old 06-04-2001, 05:28 AM   #27
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Whoops, I made a mistake in my post, where I said:

'it is not ludicrous to conclude that every word in the Bible came from the very lips of an omnipotent being.'

the 3rd word 'not' shouldn't be there.

I do not believe any intelligent being of any sort, except for humans, had anything to do with the Bible.
 
Old 06-04-2001, 02:34 PM   #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jre:
Credo quai consolans. You believe because it is consoling. God and heaven and all that is a defence mechanism to make an intolerable situation - that you exist then you do not, that you'll never see loved ones again - into a tolerable one of eternal life.</font>
I've noticed this is a favourite trump card for many atheists. Of course I can only speak of my own experience and perhaps other Christians are different, but I don't believe they are.
But in my own experience what you have just said is completely and utterly wrong. It isn't even a little bit true, it hasn't even come close to happening.
I can't really understand why you even think it might happen: Why on earth would anyone belief something because it would make them feel happier if it is true??? I'm sure even the dimmest person in the world realises that the truth of an idea is completely independent of the happiness it would cause.
I find in interesting that quite a lot of atheists accuse theist of this... wishful thinking (I suppose that's the best name for it). But frankly I have never noticed it in my life and have never noticed it in any other Christians I know.
 
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Tercel, are you familiar with Pascal's Wager? It's widely regarded by apologists as a valid basis of faith. You explain very nicely why the argument is invalid, but that doesn't mean it isn't popular. And I've known an awful lot of Christians for whom the comfort aspect of the creed was its most attractive feature.

BTW, I really was hoping for an answer to my earlier question.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tercel:
Why on earth would anyone belief something because it would make them feel happier if it is true???</font>
You surely must be joking. Have you, er, met any human beings ever? The above is by far the most popular reason to believe anything which is at all in doubt. One need not be a psychologist to recognize that anxiety is a state that people tend to avoid, even if it's at the expense of reason and/or truth.

Of course, I'll feel much better tomorrow, when this lottery ticket I just bought pays off for me.

- Nathan
 
 

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