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Old 01-10-2001, 02:14 PM   #21
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No I had never heard of it before. I do not know why it was not included in "The Ten Commandments" (which I have not seen). It seems that the general consensus however that much of the book is a fiction (well, the mountain is obviously there and it may very well be the Mount Sinai that inspired the story in Exodus - is it really all that important?). In one review from the Biblical Archaeology Society, the reviewer (Ronald S. Hendel ) started off by saying:

" In "Raiders of the Lost Ark," the swashbuckling archaeologist Indiana Jones defeats the evil Nazis, wins the girl and discovers the Ark of the Covenant. Adventure, religion and sex swirl together to create a marvelously entertaining movie. But, as I tell my children, it never really happened. It is important, as you grow up, to be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality. This distinction sometimes escapes my children, and it certainly escaped the two grown-ups who set out to discover "the Real Mt. Sinai" and who are the subjects of this book and video."

For the full review see:
http://www.bib-arch.org/barja99/gold_of_exodus.html


 
Old 01-10-2001, 07:05 PM   #22
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offa,

Have you read Antiquities 3-123? It tells about Moses
building a big tent on top of Mount Sinai. One section of the
tent is called heaven, the holy place, or the "holy of Holies".
Figuratively speaking, GOD is recreating the world. What we
have is a repetition of the Creation story so the persons
before Moses now have new names. My drift is that it is the
same story retold. The world that GOD created was headquartered
in this tent (Tabernacle) and the world was as far as the eye
could see. This mountain could also be called Gerizum. I chuckle
at biblical maps trying to locate Gerizum. This mountain
headquarters and the Ark of the Covenant was created in the
land of the tribes of Israel. The Philistines recovered this
Ark but anybody that knows locations realize that the Philistines
were located in what was later called Jerusalem. When king
David recovers the Ark it is already in Jerusalem. A few decades
later the king of Egypt invades Jerusalem and takes this Ark.
Guess what, this king of Egypt was actually an Israelite and he
took back the holy relic. The Jews were never held captive in
the Egypt of the Valley of the Kings. The Egypt that Joseph,
the Star of Bethlehem, fled to, was the wilderness area along
the Dead Sea. This area was also called Galilee and Josephus
tells about the many caves in Galilee and that the twenty-five
year old Herod (the Great) was made governor of the same. If you
were the king of Egypt (Onias at Heliopolis*) you were referred
to as the pharaoh and your wife would be called Arsinoe. While
Solomon ruled the headquarters of Israel was called Tyre instead
of Shechem in mount Ephraim (Gerizum, Sinai) and, this Israelite
leader was known as king Hiram (the Jews never met king Hiram
of the island of Tyre, their world was only line of sight).
Josephus, in Antiquities 13-313, tells how the Essenes borrowed
names for locations, but, what he does not tell you is that
he has practiced this art throughout his books. The world that
GOD created was in a tent, and Mount Sinai has many
names.

*Heliopolis, was Qumran. It was also the other Jerusalem and was
the lower Jerusalem or citadel held by the Macedonians or wicked
Jews. When king Herod married Mariamne II of Jerusalem, she was
the daughter of the Pharisee and high priest Simon Boethus of
this other Jerusalem.
 
Old 01-10-2001, 11:36 PM   #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fromdownunder:
TrueThinker

No I had never heard of it before. I do not know why it was not included in "The Ten Commandments" (which I have not seen). It seems that the general consensus however that much of the book is a fiction (well, the mountain is obviously there and it may very well be the Mount Sinai that inspired the story in Exodus - is it really all that important?). In one review from the Biblical Archaeology Society, the reviewer (Ronald S. Hendel ) started off by saying:

" In "Raiders of the Lost Ark," the swashbuckling archaeologist Indiana Jones defeats the evil Nazis, wins the girl and discovers the Ark of the Covenant. Adventure, religion and sex swirl together to create a marvelously entertaining movie. But, as I tell my children, it never really happened. It is important, as you grow up, to be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality. This distinction sometimes escapes my children, and it certainly escaped the two grown-ups who set out to discover "the Real Mt. Sinai" and who are the subjects of this book and video."

For the full review see:
http://www.bib-arch.org/barja99/gold_of_exodus.html

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They had pictures of the place. I bought the book. I've seen the pictures. Could the stone's have been there like that for 50,000 years? I highly doubt it. Maybe we could all know the truth if the Saudi government would be nice enough to let other archaeologists take a look at the site. But that won't probably happen anytime soon. Other people have seen this place and taken pictures but their pictures were confiscated. These two men managed to sneak theirs out.

General consensus? Yours is the only one I've seen that seems to think it is a work of fiction. I don't think the journalist who wrote it believed their story to be a work of fiction. He has legitimate sources listed in the book.

It's interesting though, isn't it? These men followed the trail of the Bible and it took them to the correct location. Maybe scholars and archaeologists should have thought about doing that.

Do me a favor and read the book for yourself or buy the video. And yes, this evidence is really important as it may prove the historical significance of the Bible. Why wouldn't it be? Isn't it the skeptic who says the Bible should verify its claims?


 
Old 01-11-2001, 04:00 PM   #24
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Maybe an alien rocket landed there in a pillar of smoke & fire, handed out some pamphlets to the locals & took off back to Vulcan?
 
Old 01-15-2001, 11:25 PM   #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fromdownunder:
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No I had never heard of it before. I do not know why it was not included in "The Ten Commandments" (which I have not seen). It seems that the general consensus however that much of the book is a fiction (well, the mountain is obviously there and it may very well be the Mount Sinai that inspired the story in Exodus - is it really all that important?). In one review from the Biblical Archaeology Society, the reviewer (Ronald S. Hendel ) started off by saying:

" In "Raiders of the Lost Ark," the swashbuckling archaeologist Indiana Jones defeats the evil Nazis, wins the girl and discovers the Ark of the Covenant. Adventure, religion and sex swirl together to create a marvelously entertaining movie. But, as I tell my children, it never really happened. It is important, as you grow up, to be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality. This distinction sometimes escapes my children, and it certainly escaped the two grown-ups who set out to discover "the Real Mt. Sinai" and who are the subjects of this book and video."

For the full review see:
http://www.bib-arch.org/barja99/gold_of_exodus.html

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Hmmm. I ordered the video and I've finished watching it. I am wondering how this reviewer you quoted can come to the conclusion that the Exodus never happened when the evidence suggests that it did in fact happen. It seems to me he had already decided in his mind that it did not happen so no one should try to convince him otherwise.

 
Old 01-16-2001, 01:46 AM   #26
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TrueThinker

I gave you the web site of the review, which I partially posted. So go there and ask him.

After all, it was a Christian website, so you two should have a lot in common.

 
 

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